I do care about nature, I care very much.
Living with nature doesn’t mean laying back and doing SFA when there is an active threat though, it means precisely what I wrote. Living WITH nature.
Maybe coexisting is a better way to put it but certainly not dominating the natural world just to make life easier for us or because we don’t want bird lime on our car so cutting trees down. I’ve seen that done all to often just to protect some scabby little Nissan or Renault.
Not sure what I would have done, I’ve always been a bit Gull-able.
Mega-groan!
I know the sensible thing to do is not confront the man as these days anything could happen, but as much as I hate confrontation, this would have made me so angry I’d have gone in all guns blazing. I hate, hate, hate, any form of animal cruelty, I like animals more than people! This is bird cruelty but you know what I meant. lol
You mean you are a homophobe ST??
Donkeyman!
There’s no profit in that Todger ??
Donkeyman!
I wouldn't want food that had been in a bird's beak !
Surely that was the man's choice, not yours ?
They know the risk
Does the man have less rights than the seagull?
No mention is made of stress to the gull
Stress is important to wild life as it assists with survival
I maintain that no cruelty or intent to be cruel was shown by the man
He merely acted instinctively when the gull grabbed his brecker
and caught itby the legs, and then had to hold neck also in order
to remove the doughnut from its beak!!
If he had wanted to be cruel he would have broken it's neck or
bitten the gulls head off ??
I saw nothing cruel in that video at all .
Donkeyman!
It’s like you were watching a different video to everyone else DM. 
You don’t think pressing on a bird’s windpipe to cut off its air supplty is cruel? 
Also, he wasn’t even trying to remove his filthy old doughnut at all, because with one hand he was gripping the bird, and the other hand he was flapping about trying to keep the other gulls away. It was sheer nasty temper.
He did not attempt to retrieve his cake as you said, not until the bird actually dropped it of his own accord when he could no longer breathe, so opened his beak to get air in his lungs.
Lastly, when the bloke chose to ‘release’ the bird, he could easily have placed it on the sea wall to check if it was dead, alive, or injured in any way - but No. Instead he literally threw it away.
At no point did you see what happened next. The video did not show us if it flew, dropped dead, or drowned.
That man did not he care if it was dead or alive, so I am surprised and more than a little disappointed that you think it was acceptable and not cruel in the slightest.
I have no more to say on this subject.
Hi
I have and it is relevant.
Saying you would hit someone to protect another human is rubbished on this forum.
If it is to protect an animal anything goes.
This is irrespective of the fact that those who profess they would are completely incapable of doing so.
They would get hammered, it is all fantasy.
What? No - I am not - how the daylight did you reach that conclusion? :-D:-D
Unfortunately, Swimmy, a lot of what is said in here is fantasy. I think Donkeyman may be right on one point though - the video could have been a set up. Human v Human is their choice, Human v Animal is not. I am not saying I would have actually attacked this horrible man - but I hope I would have challenged him in some way.
There are some who would do so even in the knowledge that they would “get a slap”. In this particular case I would BUT I would deliberately make a hell of a fuss about it, fall over, get the police involved, and lie through my teeth in order to get this perp charged with everything I could.
I bloody am.
There’s ALWAYS a profit in anything. Just sometimes it takes a little effort to find it.
Me too. It’s beyond me how some folks don’t see it as cruelty. Why the heck would anyone want to eat a doughnut that’s been in a gulls mouth anyway…YUK.
Seeing as you quoted my post Swimmy, I assume your reply was for me?
So will you just clarify where I have said I would hit anyone?
I can assure you I[SIZE=“3”][/SIZE] do not fantasize about hitting people.
I couldn’t work out why he thought that either, Tabs.
What the 'eck’s homophobia got to do with a seagull being htrottled anyway?
I am now not even convinced the bird he was holding was real. It’s body looked to rigid to me. It would have flopped down if being held by the neck, not balanced up in the air.
Notice there was no close up either, just someone on their phone some distance away.
I agree a lot with what you are saying here, I have lived with seagulls so know they can be an absolute nuisance and danger.
The thing is, that guy took it by the neck, he shouldn’t have done that, imo, it was a cruel thing to do…
How would you like to be taken by the neck, held in that position for quite some time, then thrown over the sea wall…
It’s a living creature that should be treated with respect, it’s a wild bird for heavens sake…” wild”…