Win 10 worse than a blasted, pushy door to door salesman

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I suspect people will find it difficult to revert back to W7/8 later on after they have had W10 for some time. MS will likely make it difficult to do.

Make no mistake, MS are preparing a platform on which to sell you “stuff” as well as heralding in the next mega-agenda stage of taking away people’s control of their data. For years the computing world has allowed YOU the user to control your data and put it wherever you like. Store it on your hard drive, store it on a USB drive, burn it to CD etc. The move is now clearly towards getting you to put that data out in cyberspace, onto someone else’s servers where you have no control. It’s not total control yet, but it’s getting there in stages. The iPads were one more step in that agenda. No USB ports to plug handy storage devices in. Everything done over the internet when it needn’t be. This, in the end, will create a massive dependency on the internet. You will need the internet and bandwidth to pull down your photos, documents, music, spreadsheets etc etc. They will make you feel all cosy and secure about having those things kept in cyberspace by “someone else” but one day, an “event” will bring down the internet and all your “stuff” will then be inaccessible.

It is personal choice but I would honestly fight tooth and nail to retain total control of my data and my identity. There is a much bigger picture going on here which people are oblivious to and it will bite them when the time comes if they have allowed MS and other giants to take away their privileges.

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I shall continue to keep all my data on my own computer and an external hard disc, although I don’t mind using OneDrive and Dropbox as temporary storage. If they go down, then, it’s no big deal.

Should what you describe ever come to pass and I am denied full control and access to my data, I shall seriously consider Linux. Assuming I am not alone, I suspect that Microsoft would lose a great deal of custom, either to Linux or Crapple. For that reason, I think MS should tread very warily and I suspect that they realise that.

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No mistake made. I’m sure most would realise that Microsoft do want to sell you “stuff”. It’s a business and that’s what businesses do. We all have to realise that when buying into it …as we all have (unless using Linux).

Although Microsoft’s current changes may have a money-making agenda, I believe there could also be a money-saving one. No more offering years of support for various operating systems all at the same time. Just the one OS that needs updates. That’s got to be less expensive for Microsoft hasn’t it? Money saved equates to money made.

The single OS looks to be Microsoft’s goal to me and if so, I can’t see too much wrong with that. No more big changes that people have trouble accepting or getting used to, as has been happening since Windows 8. The transition to a single OS is bound to cause problems for some but once a few years down the line, I think it will be better for both Microsoft and their users.

There has been speculation about Windows becoming a subscription service but for every person saying that, there’s another saying it won’t happen. Going to have to wait and see but I’m not going to worry about it in advance. Worth remembering is that some software is already supplied on a subscription basis and people are quite willing to pay it. The many security programs that are available being examples.

As regards data storage, I use The Cloud a bit but don’t feel as if control is being eroded. Files are mostly stored on various drives that I own. All still possible. As mentioned before, I don’t regard automatic feedback on computer usage (telemetry) as spying.

We talk round in circles on this.

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AFAIK, there are at least 3 issues with Windows 10 still outstanding:

a) Windows 10 - Temporary Internet Files cannot delete

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings/windows-10-temporary-internet-files-cannot-delete/95618557-b551-45bc-93ef-4fd2604de391?page=11

b) Font in Windows 10 Blurry

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/fonts-in-windows-10-blurry/a4a32623-13c0-4fc7-b9f9-ca030d59dd8d?page=8

C) File History Bugs: Duplicates File Backups and Doesn’t Remember Backup Items

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files/file-history-bugs-duplicates-file-backups-and/61d332e6-af39-41ac-b932-80498ae8218a?page=3

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OK. I’ll change that to: All problems that are affecting the way I use the OS. :slight_smile:

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Microsoft have recently reduced the amount of free offline storage from 30GB to 5GB. Other suppliers still offer more, if you want it, e.g. Google 15GB (unlimited for photos) and BT 50GB (for BT Broadband users).

Frankly, offline storage is a waste of time unless it synchronises with other hardware (as backup or for alternative use). I particularly liked OneDrive for that facility and its ease of use.

Modern PCs have huge HDDs and those can be supplemented by similarly huge EHDs for almost nominal cost, so there’s no real reason to use the “cloud” for offline storage only, just employ file synchronisation software.

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The File History issue has been outstanding since W10 was rolled out. The File History mechanism is an excellent way to keep multiple versions of favourite files but it doesn’t function correctly so I have resorted to using Windows 7 Backup (I thought MS would soon remedy the problem).

Currently, on 1 PC only, I have 12 GB of Temporary Internet Files, which cannot be accessed, let alone deleted. My other PC is unaffected this way.

The “fuzzy font” issue I seem to have resolved, but only through trial and error.

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Whilst as a blanket statement that is true, currently, most people do not see Microsoft as a repetitive money drain. In fact most people don’t see that they pay money to MS at all because the version of Windows they have came pre-installed on a PC or laptop. They don’t expect any further charges to be levied unless they personally want some specific software upgrade.

That perception will all change once MS begin a subscription service. Naturally there is a plethora of “subscriptions? Us? Nah!” propaganda out there at this present time, the time when MS are pushing W10 like BillyO. You need to be far more cynical than you are I’m afraid.

What is the difference between a package that labels itself as a new version of Windows and a package that labels itself as 50 important updates for Windows? The only difference is how it is marketed and advertised to you, the hapless punter, by Microsoft. There is no question at all that MS will continue changing Windows 10, no question at all. If you want to take the view that after 50 or 100 upgrades are forced upon you, that you still have Win10, be my guest. It’s little different to MS. They will still have lots of development teams working on all the changes and releases.

Totally disagree. The goal is control. Total control over computer users. Once you accept W10 and the upgrades that will surely come in about a year’s time your choices will swiftly start disappearing. Just disabling updates will become difficult if not impossible, they will see to that. The system will close up just like MS have done on the console XBOX. On the Xbox you used to have control of the console, how it looked and felt. Now when you buy a game for your Xbox that game comes pre-loaded with either a brand new console desktop or upgrades to that desktop. When you try to install the game, it tells you that first you HAVE TO accept the console upgrades, no choice, no question. You either let it mess with your box, or you have to take the game back to the shop for a refund. With that kind of control, MS can do ANYTHING they like with your console. There is no point at which you can say, “no I’m happy with the way my console is, I want to keep it that way now”. The only way to do that would be to never install a new game again, which kind of defeats the point of having a console.

This same concept will happen with Windows. They WILL force you to accept upgrades otherwise they will somehow restrict functionality and usage. They’ve done it with Xbox and they will do it with Windows.

The other major change that will come with all this, as well as subscriptions, will be an entire “App Store” style platform. They will market “stuff” in such a way as to make it all Apps that have to be paid for. Once the money is in Apps, useful development of free utilities and the like will drop dramatically.

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OK Realist. We all have our views. Thanks for your yours. I realise this is a short reply for all of those words you have written but taking into account the total threads/posts there have been about Windows 10, I may have posted a fair number myself.

Sorry because I know you like a good debate but I find it difficult to keep repeating the same views in different ways. Wouldn’t go so far as to say I won’t comment further but for now…

Good health. It’s time I went out for a bike ride.

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Then use CCleaner works on 10.

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CCleaner does not delete the “protected” TIFs.

Windows Cleanup identifies them but also fails to delete them.

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Can you set up another Administrator account on your PC then boot up into that? If so, you should be able to delete any unwanted junk in your original account.

This is what I do with my PCs just in case Cryptlocker or some other type of ransomware manages to make it onto my machine (highly unlikely), I can boot into the alternate account and run any antivirus/malware software from there.

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Quotes from MS posters:

Same issue here. Disc Cleanup tool is detecting 56.3 MB of Temporary Internet Files. When I actually view the folder, it’s empty.

View files shows an empty folder. Show Hidden checked, Hide Protected unchecked and the folders and files shown do not add up to the file count in Disc Cleanup.

Those files are adding up daily (the amount not getting cleaned)

•My Temporary Internet Files (undeletable) have increased by 10MB in less than 48 hours (considering I barely browsed during this time).
•Have already tried cleaning with CCleaner with no success, never goes down below that amount.
•Have already tried booting to Safe Mode and yet Disk Cleanup still detects data, without having anything show up when viewing files within that folder.
•As mentioned already, no hidden data, and no protected OS files are showing up when enabling those options.
•IE temp files have already been cleared.
•Have also tried to wipe the free space, yet there is still data remaining (somewhere?)

A clean install does NOT seem to fix the issue.

Tried twice, everything seems fine and disc cleanup works as intended however at some point it stops deleting the temporary internet files and temporary files.

I have done a clean install 3 times now. Two times without installing anything else but Win 10 and updates for Win 10 and the issue persist.

I have two User Accts … one Local (Admin - Use this 99% of the time) and one using my MS email acct (Admin)

Disk Cleanup: Will not delete on either user acct. Size remains the same.

Local Acct = 7.14 GB Temp Internet Files

MS Email Acct = 16 MB Temp Internet Files

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My first wife has just - inadvertently! - upgraded to Windows 10 from W8.

She has, for some time now, been denying the nagging upgrade screen but this evening she accidentally (she thinks) clicked the accept button.

Too late!

About two hours later (she’s going out to choir anyway) it seems to have finished so when she got back she, with much trepidation, clicked the appropriate button and, very slowly, it came up with some welcoming messages, including:

“Your files are all where you left them”!

After all the scare stories (no, not those scare stories!) she was convinced that she’d lose them all. Anyway, after a few minutes the desktop appeared with, surprise surprise, all her original icons just where she left them!

I must say that I was very impressed how easy and successful the operation was, after all I have heard. So, for those who are still dithering, I hope this success story has helped to put your minds at rest.

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Spot on sunshine.

I found that out as your wife did…couple of little niggles about 10(but got round them) its a lot better than 7.

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Nope not one bit. Your wife has performed an update she didn’t want and has effectively been bullied into taking it. That’s wrong on every level.

Whether the update runs without problems is not TBH the real issue at stake. The issue is what future changes are now coming your way as a result of you having W10. Those future changes will suit Microsoft, not you the user.

Either way, the way in which you have had to take W10 is appalling and it’s not something to be promoting imo.

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Oh I agree with you on the principle of underhand persuasion.

Their latest trick is to surreptitiously play about with the notification pop-up. Apparently the red cross, universally known to be for cancelling or closing a page, was changed to indicate acceptance. So when my wife clicked it to get rid of the pop-up, it began to install Windows 10.

Now if that’s not sneaky - perhaps bordering on illegal - I don’t know what is.

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Darn, I have the link copied but you beat me to it. Won’t waste the link so here it is …

Microsoft accused of Windows 10 upgrade ‘nasty trick’

How they could do such a thing is beyond me. Whoever decided to implement it should lose his job. This kind of thing will turn people against Microsoft like no other.

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Yes, that’s the one. Microsoft is becoming like Dopey Dave day by day!

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Blooming hec that’s awful! I can’t believe they have the gall to do that :surprised:
So if people click on the X it shoves W10 at you. How do people get rid of the pop up then?