US Election 2024 antics

You are like so many, everyone who does not “goose step” to your propaganda is branded a “hater”, when the real are the Trump puppets, they hate the idea of freedom of all peoples.

Trump reasoning, and you have skipped over the full effects of tariffs and it’s effects on the economy, and the tariffs that will be place on US exports, not to even mention how it will effect competition, leading to higher prices.

Please explain that. Or is another one of your

Did you swallow it, I don’t think anyone else has Alex

Who was the ones fighting fascist during world war II? That right capitalist. Where are you making the connection?

Did anyone not see the election? People wanted the current dictatorship out of office.

I guess you didn’t hear about the peace loving haters that tried to assassinate Trump. Those were the exact actions that the fascist did. Trying to eliminate political opposition. And, yes. The party, currently in power. are not only socialist but fascist too

Alex says he is a lawyer, a truck driver and a soldier. You might get guidance from him.

I guess the prediction of Civil War and Nuclear war are just as accurate.

As I understand it (from posters here) the tariffs on imports are all a bluff. I am more worried about the unelected Musk’s role in US politics. Seems he is in a really cosy position like a cuckoo in a nest.

I think you need to check on your history. In fact, primarily it was the Russian communists who were fighting the fascists. The communist commitment in terms of people dying for that cause, sacrifice by the civilian population and sheer scale of their effort completely overshadowed all other efforts against the nazis. Just saying.
Also, if you want to consider who enabled the nazis prior (and during) the war then you need look no further than the German capitalist industrial base. So this aspect of capitalists were the supporters and enablers of the fascists. And, through massive contracts and slave labour, also the beneficiaries. Not really fighting fascists were they?
So I’d truly hesitate before placing capitalists as the saviour of mankind.

So you are saying that international trade is too complicated for you to understand. Nor do you understand how tariffs work. Same level of comprehension as Trump, in fact.

Sorry Lincs tut tut, but that is an amazingly revisionist statement. Firstly you are assuming that the population of Soviet Russia embraced communism (it was thrust upon them by an oligarchic dictatorship). Secondly Russia was hand in hand with Hitler until Hitler double-crossed Stalin. Stalin had no regard for human life and extremely poor strategy. He refused to listen to his military advisers, most of whom were too scared to say what they think. The soldiers marched with guns at their back and any deserters were shot or sent to Siberia. Any red army soldiers unlucky enough to be captured by the enemy were executed on return (as deserters).

Western Europe would not have been saved from Stalin’s clutches without the efforts of the US in funding the war and the allied forces. The US also funded the Soviet effort sending a vast amount of supplies, weapons and boots and food to the Soviets. The number of soviet casualties is not down to somehow fighting harder but because of Stalin’s total lack of humanity. The extent of his crimes to Russian people and many other nationalities and cultures are less known because of post-war Western appeasement. The true history was completely re-written by soviet propaganda. But he was there hand in hand with Hitler sending Jews to the extermination camps at the start of the war. Russia’s history in persecution of the Jews is a testament to the fact that there was little difference between the two regimes.

In addition to this Germany was not capitalist prior to WWII, it was national socialist. The slave labour was only part of that socialist dream. The entire pre-war economy was not based on profit but on contribution by every member of society to Hitler’s dream.

The socialist experiments we have seen in the world have all led to mass murder and brutalisation of culture and humanity. It all starts out with hearts and minds and ends up with night raids, mass arrests and misery.

I’m in favour of a mixed economy with a free market. I see very little difference between the communist and fascist models. What they see as socialist in the US bears no resemblance to the oligarchic communist experiments we have seen last century (some stubbornly enduring into this one). The democrat party is not socialist, it’s just more liberal than the republicans.

I am very disappointed in your poor grasp of the true history.

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Gosh, what a reaction!
I’m fully aware of the Molotov / Ribbentrop pact. As I am aware of Stalin’s & his generals brutality. And the conveys sent to Russia with civilian and military aid (I should be as my father served on a corvette for a number of these conveys). This aid was indeed substantial - I think there were as many fighters shipped to Russia as there were given to the RAF. And yes, post war Soviet propaganda glorified a horrific period of Russian history.
But but but. The soviet was a communist state. Russia’s own industrial capabilities, once shifted to beyond the Urals, went into production overdrive. Millions of Russians did die in the fight against the nazis. So my statement that communist gave more still stands.
Further, even though it was originally the Workers National Socialist party that was originally elected, Hitler was funded by industrialists (possibly including Henry Ford) but primarily German private (capitalist) businesses. They were benefitting hugely from the military contracts the (renamed, and a lot less socialist) National Socialists. The German pre-war economy was driven by massive profits from the likes of Faben, Krupp, et al.
Yes, it is simplistic to say the war was fascist against communist. But my simple point was that it is even more wrong to claim that the war was won by capitalism.

You airbrushed all the bad stuff out of your original post. Most experts on marxism/socialism agree that Stalin’s idea of communism was not what is says on the packet. It wasn’t communist effort but US money that drove the Red army from complete depletion post-Stalingrad to march to Berlin. Both sides had murky finances and slave labour involved. There is no moral highground for the Soviets.

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You should open a thread on that and I will explain explain the uniformed view that carries.

Your using the information people just don’t want to except.

If he started a new topic on that. I could proved facts on the real story that happened.

Just checking is this thread closed? it seems the word stalin and underground economy is not allowed

California finally finished counting the vote, waiting for one district. Either counting to ten is harder then I thought or they are easily distracted and had to start over after each break. :wink:

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Biden is considering preemptive pardons for officials and allies before Trump takes office.

That gets people to thinking. What is he going to pardon.

Is Biden going air all the crimes that have been committed during his administration.

That would set up for failure. That would open up the door for, any president could do a brush stroke pardons. As President of the United States I pardon everyone that broke a federal law during and after my term as President.

Does he come up with these kind of ideas while he takes naps during meetings of international leaders?

Wait for it!!!

Who can blame him? He has to prepare for Trump vendettas - it’s an unprecedented situation