The Windsor Agreement Stitch Up

The EU cannot reform. It’s based on principles which cannot be changed. Its like any other socialist state, it kills itself through socialism.

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From what I understand the Windsor Framework does not change anything for the worse for NI. I think that it can be ignored for the time being.
According to your predictions (those from the CCTPP article) the UK will face a truly brilliant trading future very soon. The UKs accession is planned for this year when the negotiations end, so from next year on the UKs economy will grow.
This could mean that you do not have to wait 2+4 years. Who knows, maybe the success through CCTPP membership will turn your govs focus away from the EU sooner than you think. The problem might be solved much easier through CCTPP membership.

Then you don’t understand the Windsor Framework.

The free trading arrangements we have with CTPP will not benefit the EU as they are not part of it. The UKs trade with the EU has been in decline for many years, there’s nothing new about this.

I must admit that I have not read it. My information is from news sites only, problably I have no clue what it is about.

Absolutely right, I will not dispute that. Hovever I did not claim otherwise.

I really hope that more people in the UK share your optimism. :+1:

Its a Trojan Horse.

The Windsor Framework is a wrapper around the NI Protocol which creates distinct jurisdiction of EU law and UK law within a country which is part of the Union of the UK. Within the Framework, EU law will be applied to Northern Ireland, with NI being unable to justify any “emergency brake” mechanism because of 2 things.

  1. It needs over 30 members of the MLA to agree it
  2. Westminster needs to then agree it
  3. The EU need to agree it
  4. If the EU agree it then Northern Ireland is liable for any legal action (unilaterally) against it as a consequence (suing by the EU basically).

So

  1. The members won’t sign it because of the threat of political failure by Westmineter
  2. Westminster won’t agree it because they will not want unilateral repercussions from the EU
  3. The EU won’t agree it
  4. The consequences will be the UK paying billions and billions a year in damages to the EU for eternity without any way out.

Which means that NI is slowly being hived off to the Republic of Ireland and coming under EU rule completely.

Lastly, the UK are still unable to diverge from EU regulations (the NI Protocol is still in place) and therefore the UK will end up as a non voting member of the EU - the vassal state that was first tried under May and Robbins under the Chequers agreement.

(Sorry for the chaotic wording, I’m really busy this morning and trying to reply as quick as I can).

Thank you for the efforts! From what I heard in the news some officials from the EU also admitted that the “Stormont brake” is more an emergency kind of theoretical concept. Never really to be seen in action I guess.

However the new revised NIP has some improvment aspects for the people in NI and that is good I think.

Personally I would like to see how scrapping of some “thousands of EU laws” will turn out for the UK. Afaik, those laws were agreed and made by the UKs gov and no one else. That will be exciting I guess…

It won’t be exciting, unpicking is always more complicated than knitting.

Hm, are you sure? From what I learned there will be lots of laws affected which cover workers rights, maternity leave, sick leave, paid holidays and lots of similar areas.
Ok, that is internet rumors from people who claim to know about those things. As I am only an interested observer and a guest, I can just raise my eyebrows and wait to see what happens…

In some ways, the union was a good Nanny, but there is a cost associated to infant care in that the infant never develops a personal indentity and needs to be exploited to grow and, that’s what we all want, growth, isn’t it?

The NIP remains as it is, the difference is the red and green lanes - which doesn’t help mixed loads coming into NI which is a fair amount of goods and it also renders the red lane to remain as a border in the Irish Sea.

Even Mario’s Sefkovic (spelling) admits in a recorded conversation that Sunak is selling a pup with his new deal.

For the scrapping of EU laws, thats the right way forward. We aren’t in the EU so we shouldn’t be adopting their laws, which are designed to hamstring UK growth through single market rules, the communities act and the CAP to name a few. Thats what the EU laws were designed to do - favour Germany and France over the UK and the other member states.

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The UK has much better workers rights than the EU anyway. Tearing up EU laws would prevent workers rights in the UK being diminished by businesses to the levels in the EU by big business and the EU courts.

Nowhere on earth does a country have to pay billions to another government for a free trade agreement. Thats what we had with the EU.

We should’t be worried about a 6% tariff on our exports, we can make more tax revenues than the EU as a net importer by applying the same tax rate on EU imports. Besides, currency fluctuations have more of an impact than tariffs anyway,

It makes you wonder what we did before we joined the EU…

Got exploited, Right right and center :icon_wink: but, at least it was domestic exploitation :grin:

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Not at all.

Our workers rights far exceed those from the EU, in fact most of EU workers rights are based on ours but go nowhere near as far. Examples are 25 days holiday, maternity and paternity leave, 37.5 hour week, self certification and sick pay etc etc.

Not to mention free health care for all workers.

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Brussels farmers protests

Google it.

Tomatoes anyone ?

Not for me, I am a pureeist. :icon_wink:

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I checked the official EUs website for information about workers rights and found:

"
As regards labour law, the EU complements policy initiatives taken by individual EU countries by setting minimum standards. In accordance with the Treaty - particularly Article 153 - it adopts laws ([directives]) that set minimum requirements for

  • working & employment conditions,
  • informing & consulting workers.

Individual EU countries are free to provide higher levels of protection if they so wish.
"

It seems to me that there is no such thing as “EU workers rights”. Just minimum standards which each member country can exceed, like in Germany or France.

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There is exploitation everywhere, but the EU’s did try to stamp it out.

There are, such as the EU working time directive - just one example of EU labour laws.

Just remember as well, in order to have workers rights you also need to have a job. The EU unemployment rate is on average double that of the UK, with Spain about 12% and Greece about 10%.