Absolutely. I love the UK but I sometimes wonder if we have passed the point of no return regards population and the government being able to take care of it’s residents. Are they really bothered?. It seems power and wealth are the only driving factors.
I was pondering the question, has people power really achieved anything for the last fifty years?
There were massive protests (some of the biggest ever seen in this country) concerning the invasion of Iraq…They went ahead and bombed the fabric out of Iraq anyway!
Brexit, massive demonstrations by both sides, and we haven’t really come out of the EU have we…
Sending your money to bolster up a foreign war in the Ukraine (the most corrupt country in the world) when some folks can’t afford to heat and eat or drive due to the excessive cost of fuel.
Massive social unrest about illegal migrants coming to the UK…And still they arrive in droves.
Protests all over the country about the amount of new houses being built and countryside being spoilt…The protests fall on deaf ears and the land grab continues.
Driverless and Electric vehicles…Thrust upon us without so much as a consultation and we are convinced by the media that wind turbines and solar panels will save the planet, so we beg the government to do what they always wanted to do in the first place. But it isn’t about saving the planet is it, it’s about control, power and wealth and the governments inability to provide the basics in life and pass the blame onto us.
Should have put this in the ‘What Annoys You’ thread…
So presumably you are also saying that no one from Britain can pontificate on the EU because they apparently hate the EU and forced Britain to leave when the going got tough? There is far more evidence supporting that hypothesis than whether I hate Britain or not.
Gawd you talk some drivel sometimes, perhaps you didn’t realise that it is not your job to clarify my position.
No! No! No! you can’t say that - you left the EU when the going got tough so you can’t comment on it OGF has spoken.
Also you will have to be careful in case you get accused of hating Britain if you say anything uncomplimentary about it.
The fact is, this is all speculation, none of you know the actual truth behind everything that has been said by our government or by the EU, and nobody knows if leaving the EU will be to our eventual benefit or not. Yet you all come across as if you have absolute certainty about what you are arguing. I just thought you all might appreciate an impartial overview, that’s all.
Over my lifetime I have experienced highs and lows, one low from memory was in the 1970s when strikes took over and we all suffered the consequences. I’m sure that there have been other, perhaps worse, lows before I was born: both world wars, the depression, the 1920s, etc.
Unfortunately, it seems that we are heading for a new low. Covid, BRINO, overpopulation, the general mistakes and incapabilities of our present government, the lack of a viable alternative political party - all combining to make things worse for us.
In one way, I find it interesting to see what will come of it all.
Rightly or wrongly we had a simple referendum, first past the post, a simple majority, we did not have a referendum which required a victory by a certain percentage…
We voted Leave by a slim majority, job done, the result must be respected.
Have we achieved all the possible benefits of Brexit?.
In my view, no, we haven’t.
I however do think that is not an inevitable result of Brexit, it is the result of useless Politicians.
We are not helping by fighting each over and the language we use in describing people.
We are out, it is not a BRINO, it is a very hard Brexit.
Of course it is. We are still apparently subject to some of the directions coming from Brussels. We still pay them billions for some reason, and which are of no benefit to ourselves. They still have the right to take all the fish from our fishing areas, etc. etc.
All thanks to our politicians.
No, the result must be adhered to, but not respected. It might conform to the letter of democracy, but certainly not the spirit of it. Any decision that leaves close on half the population feeling aggrieved cannot be called a good decision.
Presumably, taking that right away from them would result in them retaliating in a way that would be more costly to us, otherwise we wouldn’t allow it.
No, it is thanks to the EU being in a stronger bargaining position than us. That was always going to be the case, how could you not have known that?
BREXIT had it been corrected implemented would have resulted in the EC having no position of strength in any bargaining. Indeed there was no reason to bargain over anything. Had we started with a position of the WTO and then NEGOTIATING - not bargaining - any ongoing matters with the EC life would have been very much easier and better for us. But no, in part as a result of Gina Miller sticking her oar in and Bunters chicanery we went down the awful path that we have resulting in BRINO, and long thousands of rubber boat criminals and more. Johnson really must go.
Who told me? It’s obvious. BREXIT meant BREXIT by definition. Johnson must go WHOEVER takes his place bar none. The Fat Oaf has absolutely no credibility now, just check out his ratings. He is now a real danger to us all because of his involvement in Ukraine for one thing. I genuinely believe he has some sort of serious forensic personality disorder.
