Six Years on

That’s not going to stop the remoaners!

It occurs to me that if they continue to contest what they see as a close vote, nothing would happen and we’d remain in the EU!
So in effect, Remain would have won despite being in the minority.
I suppose that’s their version of democracy!

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This is what happens when folks are deliberately pissed off. :smiley:

Are you in favour of a ‘One world single Government’ Maree…?
Or a sort of ‘United States of Europe’…?

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I’m not sure One World is acheivable but I wouldn’t mind more unity with Europe

I think EU law tended to be more liberal and enlightened than what our governments would give, especially on workers rights, human rights and the environment and we were better off when EU law superseded U.K. law on those issues

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Don’t confuse our regaining of sovereignty with our inept government who are doing their best to make the country worse, perhaps in the hope of us voting next time to rejoin the EU. After all, we seem to have many MPs in office who disagreed with Brexit.

My hope is that once Bumbling Boris and Greenie Carrie are gone, a new leader might just put things right and actually obtain a complete Brexit rather than the BRINO we now have and under which the EU are still calling the shots on what we can and cannot do in our own country.

Personally I think a United States of Europe is a good idea if it is founded on a constitution that defines the roles of the federal government and the roles of the different states.

Things that the federation could cover are obvious things like external trade, defence and the rights of the different states to trade with each other, a country’s internal protection is obviously a matter for the state.It is just a matter of deciding which is what and defining it precisely. It could even define each states system of government ie a democratically elected bicameral parliament for example. My god, Britain could even become a democracy.

I am sure with good will a United States of Europe could be a very good thing for everybody involved.

But you consider yourself ‘Patriotic’ Maree.
Isn’t giving the keys of the UK to Brussels and telling them to turn off the lights when they leave after giving us a good shafting, far from being ‘patriotic’?
I agree that in the early days the thoughts of removing barriers on trade between like minded and economically equal countries looked like a good idea. It was never going to be like that though was it. Even as long ago as the fifties evidence has since come to light that a United States of Europe was the plan, and just like the lies you believe were told to the Brexiteers, we were lied to then big style.

Although I dispute your figures about brexit being mainly about the old versus the young (something that the media chucked in to make it interesting) I know plenty of young people who voted to leave the EU, and lots of older people who voted to remain, it seems money was the driving force behind which way people voted. People who invested heavily in European based companies would vote to remain because they were frightened of ending up out of pocket, but the working classes in general voted to leave because the EU hasn’t done them any favours, in fact quite the opposite.

But the reason why most older people voted to leave wasn’t because there are more of us than them, it’s because we have lived through this whole unfortunate saga and realised where it was going.

I think you relinquished the right to pontificate about brexit Bruce when you abandoned these shores when the going got tough. Despite probably having a dual British and Australian passport I don’t consider you British now, and you waste no time in pulling the country of your birth down. Therefore your opinions are not those of a resident of these shores, and your motives for expressing them are dubious at the least.

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It’s a forum, I have as much right as anybody else here to express my opinion, and that is my opinion. If you don’t like it, tough.

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I think your position just needed clarifying Bruce…Nothing personal.

That is exactly why I regarded the EEC (Common Market) to be a good idea. I would probably have voted for that at the time.
Unfortunately, the EEC has morphed into the EU. No longer a free-trade organisation, but a means of political control for all of the member states.
That is something I could never agree with.

We have been a free nation for over a thousand years and, despite many attempts by other European countries to conquer us over those years, we still remain our own country. Well, almost, despite many of our politicians being eager to hand our country over to a foreign power.

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No it wasn’t a tied vote else it would have had to be done again. Some parties have gained power by much less a margin.

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Hear! Hear!
:+1:

Before I put Bruce on ignore, all I remember him saying were how bad this country is and how much better Australia is in comparison.
Really not worth reading, in my opinion.

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You’ll have to show me where I have ever said anything like that. I have certainly given examples of about three things that Australia has done well but it is hardly a comparison. Most of the statements on this forum saying how bad Britain is are by your fellow countrymen (hint search “Boris Johnson”).

Feel free to put me on ignore at any time I shall then be able to comment on your posts without interruption.

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You surprise me with this @JBR ,surely alternative opinions are the basis for debate? I have never put anyone on ignore ever, in spite of disagreeing vehemently with what they may have said… :thinking:

(Just for clarity, my earlier post now deleted was agreeing with your earlier post regarding the morphing of the EEC into the EU…)

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Yes I agree with you Barry neither have I. It rather defeats the idea of a discussion…

@Bruce , l must agree with you Brucy, LOL! We definitely are the ones
moaning about life in UK !
Life in OZz is definitely better in most regards to life in the UK !
However, you seem to confuse living in an underdeveloped country with
living in an over developed place such as UK ?
Your country needs more people if it wishes to ‘grow’ !
Whereas UK is covered in infrastructure and habitations and we need to
shed inhabitants ??
Judging by your posts l assume you would be willing to accept our
surplus population to your vast and empty land ??
Donkeyman! :roll_eyes::roll_eyes:

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The bottom line is that we have escaped from the singularly undemocratic EC and once we have a proper PM instead of The Fat Oaf we will be able to disconnect from the EC in all its houses upon which I wish a plague. We won’t return - ever - so live with it. Actually the EC, certainly in anything like it’s present form, will implode and good riddance too. IMO an expanded EU was bound to fail for the simple reason that the various countries were much too dissimilar to ever combine into a single entity as was very clear when the PIGS lot gained accession.

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