Sarah Everard

the reality is that an attack out of the blue is shocking .
People aren’t prepared for it .
Especially today where people walk about with headphones on they are divorced from outside signals of dangers .
More effective and loud alarms needed
Some employers are aware of this
Ie All M and S employees are issued with alarms to carry in their pockets .
Perhaps everyone should have a tracker on their person .
I believe that the royal family have trackers in their childrens ‘ clothing .

It is a sad fact that often men will support friends & colleagues for acts like indecent exposure because they feel it doesn’t harm anybody.
When I was a teenager a man, who kept offering me a lift in his car, became so desperate that he exposed himself to me. I told him to get lost & ran home …about 200 yards away! My parents would have never let me out of the house again, if I told them, so I told the younger policeman I used to baby sit for about it! He took all the details & didn’t mention it to my parents, but a few weeks later he said I didn’t need to go to court as he has been arrested, following reports from lots of other women, and was serving time in prison!
Men like that are pathetic perverts & will probably never change! I don’t want to think what trauma this poor young woman may have gone through, but her parents must wonder and are probablu going though hell! :cry:

If walking the dog on my own after dark I often think his full poo bag would be a good way to fend off any random attacker.

I have an aerosol canister of Deep Heat spray (which is for sore muscles), and I keep it handy in my backpack for when I have cramp in my calf muscles. It’s legal to carry, but a faceful of that would REALLY discourage any attacker as well as give them a nice, strong smell. :smiley:

This reminds me of when I got flashed at when I was about 6. I’d fallen in the pond at a local park early one morning (it was in the days when it was ok to go wandering off). Anyway, I hid in the long grass trying to dry off before going home into trouble(!), and this black lab came sniffing over and barking. A guy followed shortly after, saw me, laughed and flashed at me. Gives me the heebie jeebies to think about how bad it could have got, but I ran off home. I never told a soul - I was too worried about getting a smack. :frowning:

I mentioned about her walking across CC in the dark early on the thread.
It’s incomprehensible why any woman would take that risk ,unless of course it was heaving with people and we know that wouldn’t have been so ,given lockdown .
As it was she was seen after that so surely there must have been some interaction between the two of them?
I know we see on tv women and men being bundled into cars but not by a lone person .

Good post.

And it’s not just sex pests to watch out for while walking alone. Muggers, Drunks, Junkies and worst of all…Gangs. Fortunately none of them are usually about first thing in the morning when I go out.

To say it happens to men as well is minimising what women endure. Men might think this or that area is dodgy and avoid it but women have to think about these things all the time, not just now and again.

Today on The World at One it was said that in a survey, one third of girls had been sexually harassed in co-Ed schools by boys. One third! Either a few boys are very busy or there are many boys who have no respect for females.

Read this article about a woman being harassed whilst picking her child up from school. Not ‘provocatively’ dressed, day time, other people around, with a child.

Has any man ever been subjected to this kind of behaviour?

Ah, so it was her own fault she was murdered, because she crossed a park on her own?

Excuse me ! I find your tone aggressive and your question not worthy of an answer . Please don’t use that old chestnut of a line to find fault with what I said .

It’s an unsafe area at night for both men and women. Well known for crime. She was walking from Leathwaite Road to Brixton where she lived. I don’t think they have CCTV of her being on the common itself. Just on the A road. Looking at the map the straightest route between the two points would have been on the road.

I think that they knew each other or he knew her or of her. Must have been stalking her.

Maybe look to your own victim-blaming words first.

It’s not unreasonable to ask why she was visiting a friend’s house during lockdown. That’s why she was walking home at 9pm. It could have given the police suspect a reason to stop her. I don’t think this incident would have happened if we did not have lockdown in place. It’s not that she needed the bubble support of her friend when her own boyfriend lived close to her. Of course none of these questions are being posed because of the furore.

Maybe he approached her as a police officer and she felt safe getting into his car. Such a tragedy…poor family too.

Obviously not all women think like that all the time Suedonim, otherwise they wouldn’t risk putting themselves in great danger.
And it may surprise you to learn, that most men find members of the opposite sex very attractive and might express this through a whistle or comment. Not necessarily harassment, only to the more sensitive or paranoid. I must add though, that there will always be one or two blokes who are mentally deranged freaks and give all men a bad name…

I know we shouldn’t speculate but I wondered the same thing, did a ‘police officer’ see a young woman out alone at night during lockdown and use that to question her, offer her a lift home having given a false level of security.

I would never accept a lift from a stranger but meeting a police officer and someone making you feel you have done something wrong even if you haven’t can make you behave differently and drop your guard.

I don’t understand why men think this behaviour is ok though? I have been reading stories of this kind of thing happening to women - who ignore it, and it escalates into sometimes quite aggressive behaviour from the man, because he feels that his whistle or comment should have been appreciated with a response like a smile, not ignored.

It certainly didn’t help matters did it Suedonim?
I tend to agree with Annie, and I think they probably knew each other. Perhaps an infatuation by the policeman, or a previous affair…Could that be why the police went straight to him as a suspect. I think the flashing incident was just a smokescreen.

Very rare in my experience Pixie (not that I go around whistling at girls anymore :018: Mrs Fox would have my guts for garters)
In the pit village where I grew up, the girls were worse than the boys, and would give as much as they got…In fact…Some were quite fearsome!..:shock: Most of the time I would consider it just banter, the same as you see on the forum occasionally.