Overpopulation?

[Rachel]

@Anzac

Water resources are going to be the biggest problem regardless of whether the principal food stuff is grain or animal based. Imo.

Wter resources in this country/island should be no problem whatsoever.
Look at the land mass, the lakes, the rivers and … oh what’s that thing surrounding us ? is it the sea ?

[mart]

@MKJ

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Peas are bad for the health as well. Nearly everyone I know who got ill or died at any age ate peas at one time or another.

[gumbud]

the world is NOT overpopulated -the populations are just all in concentrated places and not spread out!

[Victors_Mate]

Well I did try to throw the discussion wider but my effort was, almost, totally ignored. It really is not worth trying to put together a reasoned posting for debate on this forum, best to stick to the odd sentence here and there and leave it at that.

[Rachel]

@Victors Mate

Well I did try to throw the discussion wider but my effort was, almost, totally ignored. It really is not worth trying to put together a reasoned posting for debate on this forum, best to stick to the odd sentence here and there and leave it at that.

You mean flippancy rules the day ?

[Victors_Mate]

@Rachel

You mean flippancy rules the day ?

You might think that, I couldn’t possibly comment. :twisted:

[Rachel]

@Victors Mate

You might think that, I couldn’t possibly comment. :twisted:

lol … touche

[Meg]

@Victors Mate

A few thoughts on the problem of over population.

1. Many countries Europe and within Europe Britain have good and marginal arable land on which crops are not sown (set aside) to maintain price levels by restricting production. Production could be vastly increased by outlawing such practices.

2. The amount of food that is actually discarded by the consumer and by supermarkets in the developed nations is scandalous. France has taken steps to make it illegal for supermarkets to throw away food. Instead they can donate it to charities or make it available for animal feed. A practice I feel that could/should be adopted worldwide.

3. Much of food shortage is more of a logistics problem which could be overcome if the will to finance and coordinate distribution.

4. In the developed countries we have pensions in the poorer countries they use their children as their “pension” to care for and feed them in their old age. The more children they can bring to maturity the more likely they are to be cared for in their later years.
   
   5) Much of the funds given to these poorer countries in the form of foreign aid is never used for the intended purpose and reaches only a few corrupt individuals. A better way of ensuring the utilisation of this aid for the intended purpose is desperately needed.

6) Finally Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Or it might turn out to be Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat drinking beer all day.

Good points VM , I have already mentioned number 4 in a previous post .
With regard to foreign aid I think it should be used to fund specific projects rather than given to the governments.

I worked in a girls school which sponsored a school in the Gambia . We provided materials to equip the school and sent a group of 6th formers out each summer holiday to help teach the children English and to paint and renovate the buildings. Hopefully some of those children in the Gambia school will go on to be Doctors and healthcare workers helping to promote contraception and people who can help others to maximise their own food production. .

Education and help in specific areas is what is needed not insisting the world lives on grain.

[MKJ]

@Victors Mate

Well I did try to throw the discussion wider but my effort was, almost, totally ignored. It really is not worth trying to put together a reasoned posting for debate on this forum, best to stick to the odd sentence here and there and leave it at that.

I know everyone hangs on my every word but I’m having to work today innit .

[Anzac]

@Rachel

Wter resources in this country/island should be no problem whatsoever.
Look at the land mass, the lakes, the rivers and … oh what’s that thing surrounding us ? is it the sea ?

I wasn’t thinking of this country. I didn’t think we were just discussing the UK!

[Meg]

If we were to stop eating meat and only produced grains we could quite comfortably feed the whole wide world.

What I am saying in the little time I have is that overpopulation is a complex subject with many factors to take into account.

I am not in favour of just proving grain to those who are unable to produce a sufficient amount to provide for themselves but instead to help them maintain some form of self sufficient farming and food production including the raising of livestock. Also by promoting contraception.

[Rachel]

@Anzac

I wasn’t thinking of this country. I didn’t think we were just discussing the UK!

Well some of us are very small-minded you see

Darn … I see I made a typo error and can not go back to edit :-

[MKJ]

I think we are all in danger of losing the plot here.

Principle points I made with my initial post …

1. Education provides it’s own natural contraception - choice

2. Overpopulation and starvation can be countered by land allocated to animal feed (in developed countries) being given over to plant based protein foods.

3. In time underdeveloped counties will become ‘developed’ countries thereby point 1 will kick in so overpopulation shouldn’t be an issue.

Considering the above unless we alter the ruthless way we run and develop economies (capitalism) instead of overpopulation we could well end up with a lack of workers eventually.

It is has been proven too much meat is very bad for you as experiments have shown massive increase in cancers wherever a ‘people’ has moved towards our western style high meat content diet. Meat ain’t good for you. Apparently we all have a tendency towards cancer and by eating too much meat the tendency becomes alarmingly high.

Time to create another shop …

[Julie1962]

Funnily my husband loves his meat and has never had cancer whereas me a veggie for over 35 years has had it 4 times. So I take the idea meat is actually a cause rather loosely and believe it is more than our diet and we can look at stress and lifestyle for the cancer causes.

[MKJ]

@Julie1962

Funnily my husband loves his meat and has never had cancer whereas me a veggie for over 35 years has had it 4 times. So I take the idea meat is actually a cause rather loosely and believe it is more than our diet and we can look at stress and lifestyle for the cancer causes.

Lots of causes for it but it has been proven too much meat is a factor.

[Julie1962]

Well unless we address all causes it seems unfair to stop people eating meat.

I really don’t think vegetarianism can or should be forced.

[mart]

Statistics are all very well when you’re one of the lucky ones they apply to. When they don’t, I suppose we can only say life just ain’t fair. I have a brother and sister who both eat lots of meat and have never had cancer. I do have cancer (not that you’d know it from my high level of fitness). Life can throw some non-statistical wobbles sometimes …even for those who live by statistics.

[Victors_Mate]

I feel that the attempted take over of the overpopulation problem thread reduciing it to a single issue by a vegetarian fundamentalist is a pity so many more factors are involved.

[MKJ]

@Victors Mate

I feel that the attempted take over of the overpopulation problem thread reduciing it to a single issue by a vegetarian fundamentalist is a pity so many more factors are involved.

You got that all wrong. Only a few weeks ago I was eating chicken. I still have chicken in my freezer in fact.

[mart]

Sorry about that Victors Mate. Over to you then.