Misled Over Brexit ? Certainly Looks That way!

[Zaphod]

Heh heh heh, Lord Frost has started as he left off.

It’s been announced that the UK has unilaterally extended the grace period for trade between NI and the rest of the UK by five months, this being done before the previous grace period expires in order to allow business to plan beyond one month in advance.
It’s basically the result of EU inaction on the issues so far, but of course the EU are not happy.
Well, basically they have three choices:

The first would be some sort of EU objection which would result in the UK implementing Article 16.

The second is to decide not to ratify the deal; remember they didn’t have time to do it earlier, the poor souls.

The third is to put up with it, and this is what the EU should do if they are sincere when they keep trying to say that they are determined to put the people of Northern Ireland first.

It does however demonstrate again that despite what some might think, the UK are not going to let the EU dictate events or ignore the obvious impact of the deal.

"The Telegraph also understands that the UK intends to pursue other unilateral measures later this week, including extending the grace period for parcel couriers and solving issues with importing plants, vegetables and agricultural machinery with British soil on them.

The UK is currently in discussions with the European Commission over its demands to extend a number of grace periods for supermarkets, chilled meats, medicines and parcels until January 2023. It hopes to use the additional time to try and find permanent solutions to the problems being experienced by traders at the border."

'Whitehall sources denied it was a breach of the protocol, adding that the measures were necessary to avoid a “cliff edge” for businesses.

The UK will continue to engage through the joint committee but, with little progress made, said it was necessary because supermarkets begin to make stocking decisions one month in advance. It will not require triggering Article 16 of the protocol, a measure of last resort enabling one side to override parts of the agreement.

“At the moment, unfortunately, we are not seeing from the EU the pragmatism required to make the protocol work for the citizens of Northern Ireland,” a Government source said.’

Boris Johnson sparks fresh EU row as UK acts unilaterally to protect Northern...

Of course the Biased Broadcasting Corporation has a different interpretation:

Brexit: EU says UK grace period extension breaches international law

[Bread]

Grace periods?

We need final solutions.

[Harbal]

@Bread

We need final solutions.

Isn’t that what Hitler said?

[Bread]

@Harbal

Isn’t that what Hitler said?

No idea.

[Donkeyman]

@Zaphod

Heh heh heh, Lord Frost has started as he left off.

It’s been announced that the UK has unilaterally extended the grace period for trade between NI and the rest of the UK by five months, this being done before the previous grace period expires in order to allow business to plan beyond one month in advance.
It’s basically the result of EU inaction on the issues so far, but of course the EU are not happy.
Well, basically they have three choices:

The first would be some sort of EU objection which would result in the UK implementing Article 16.

The second is to decide not to ratify the deal; remember they didn’t have time to do it earlier, the poor souls.

The third is to put up with it, and this is what the EU should do if they are sincere when they keep trying to say that they are determined to put the people of Northern Ireland first.

It does however demonstrate again that despite what some might think, the UK are not going to let the EU dictate events or ignore the obvious impact of the deal.

"The Telegraph also understands that the UK intends to pursue other unilateral measures later this week, including extending the grace period for parcel couriers and solving issues with importing plants, vegetables and agricultural machinery with British soil on them.

The UK is currently in discussions with the European Commission over its demands to extend a number of grace periods for supermarkets, chilled meats, medicines and parcels until January 2023. It hopes to use the additional time to try and find permanent solutions to the problems being experienced by traders at the border."

'Whitehall sources denied it was a breach of the protocol, adding that the measures were necessary to avoid a “cliff edge” for businesses.

The UK will continue to engage through the joint committee but, with little progress made, said it was necessary because supermarkets begin to make stocking decisions one month in advance. It will not require triggering Article 16 of the protocol, a measure of last resort enabling one side to override parts of the agreement.

“At the moment, unfortunately, we are not seeing from the EU the pragmatism required to make the protocol work for the citizens of Northern Ireland,” a Government source said.’
Boris Johnson sparks fresh EU row as UK acts unilaterally to protect Northern Ireland supermarkets

Of course the Biased Broadcasting Corporation has a different interpretation:
Brexit: EU says UK grace period extension breaches international law - BBC News

I wondered when he would intervene Zaphod??
Could be good if he is allowed to continue ??
Let’s see if he will last, he is heavily outnumbered in the Tory party??

 Donkeyman!

[JBR]

@Donkeyman

I wondered when he would intervene Zaphod??
Could be good if he is allowed to continue ??
Let’s see if he will last, he is heavily outnumbered in the Tory party??

Yes, I am certain that is the case, which is probably why Boris sold us out rather than taking the giant step most of us were hoping for.

My hope is that the majority of the electorate will become increasingly disappointed with the way the government is proceeding and that, if the government can’t see beyond the end of their noses, they may end up being replaced in three years or so.

[Harbal]

@Bread

No idea.

I thought so.

[swimfeeders]

Hi

Whichever way you look at it, we are not in a good place.

Yes, Boris got us out, but at a cost.

We are not collecting Tariffs, the EU are,

We are not carrying out Sanitary and other checks, the EU are,

They are crippling our Fisheries and other Industries, all perfectly legal under WTO Rules.

Frost was and still is a loser who has had rings rung round him by the EU.

[Bread]

Irish unionists are no longer supporting this protocol.

It needs to be torn up now.

[swimfeeders]

@Bread

Irish unionists are no longer supporting this protocol.

It needs to be torn up now.

Hi

And give the EU a huge victory?

No thanks., I would give them nothing.

[Bread]

@swimfeeders

Hi

And give the EU a huge victory?

No thanks., I would give them nothing.

It wouldn’t give the EU a victory - it would be an epic win for the UK as we would no longer have Northern Ireland annexed from our union, as it is now with the border down the Irish Sea and different customs regimes with rules imposed by the EU and the UK.

Just tear it up.

[Zaphod]

@swimfeeders

Hi

And give the EU a huge victory?

No thanks., I would give them nothing.

But the EU say that they want to respect the rights of everybody on the island Swimmy, both Irish and Northern Irish.
They are obviously not doing that but by allowing known problems to continue since Sefcovic himself has been, seen, and been told, but - in the typical EU manner - has not done anything.
The consequence of inaction is further suffering.

Hence the UK doing something is not a “huge victory” for the EU but the polar opposite as it yet again starkly highlights the EU’s failures.

@Bread

Grace periods?

We need final solutions.

Indeed we do but these do not want to be arrived-at hastily.
That is after all why there are problems now.
And that’s why the delay is good from the UK perspective; it not only gives the EU a much-needed push to resolve issues rather that sit on them but it also allows the NI legal challenge time to proceed.

It’s going to be of no use whatsoever the EU threatening legal action (using what body?) if the protocol itself is found to be illegal, besides which it is unlikely that anybody would agree that an external body trying to interfere in a nation’s internal border policing would be upheld.
It’s unprecedented and the EU know it.

[Bread]

@Zaphod

But the EU say that they want to respect the rights of everybody on the island Swimmy, both Irish and Northern Irish.
They are obviously not doing that but by allowing known problems to continue since Sefcovic himself has been, seen, and been told, but - in the typical EU manner - has not done anything.
The consequence of inaction is further suffering.

Hence the UK doing something is not a “huge victory” for the EU but the polar opposite as it yet again starkly highlights the EU’s failures.

Indeed we do but these do not want to be arrived-at hastily.
That is after all why there are problems now.
And that’s why the delay is good from the UK perspective; it not only gives the EU a much-needed push to resolve issues rather that sit on them but it also allows the NI legal challenge time to proceed.

It’s going to be of no use whatsoever the EU threatening legal action (using what body?) if the protocol itself is found to be illegal, besides which it is unlikely that anybody would agree that an external body trying to interfere in a nation’s internal border policing would be upheld.
It’s unprecedented and the EU know it.

Hastily ?

It’s been 5 years … we won’t put up a hard border, neither will the EU and neither will Ireland. There amount of trade is minimal across the Irish border … its not worth worrying about.

Just tear it up and move on.

[Zaphod]

@Bread

Hastily ?

It’s been 5 years … we won’t put up a hard border, neither will the EU and neither will Ireland. There amount of trade is minimal across the Irish border … its not worth worrying about.

Just tear it up and move on.

Come on Bread.
Everybody knows that doing something within five years as far as the EU is concerned is considered as being positively speedy!

FWIW I generally agree & I think there’s a pretty good chance that it is how the farce will end up.
But from a UK perspective it has to be done in such a way as it being the only option left to the EU, and it’s heading that way.
Like I keep saying: the EU can’t keep insisting that they care about the very people that they know they are harming with their actions.

[Bread]

@Zaphod

Come on Bread.
Everybody knows that doing something within five years as far as the EU is concerned is considered as being positively speedy!

FWIW I generally agree & I think there’s a pretty good chance that it is how the farce will end up.
But from a UK perspective it has to be done in such a way as it being the only option left to the EU, and it’s heading that way.
Like I keep saying: the EU can’t keep insisting that they care about the very people that they know they are harming with their actions.

The EU don’t care about anything but their project. The UK should just tear the whole treaty up and walk away. There is no other solution - no other nation in the world gives away 80% of its fisheries in exchange for tarrifs on imports and gives away one of its countries to make sure that they don’t build a hard border, when everyone has said they won’t.

Its an epic failure not to do this - as long as we appease Brussels we never have control. Its a complete myth.

5.5 years we will be back in the EU at this rate.

[Zaphod]

@Bread

The EU don’t care about anything but their project. The UK should just tear the whole treaty up and walk away. There is no other solution - no other nation in the world gives away 80% of its fisheries in exchange for tarrifs on imports and gives away one of its countries to make sure that they don’t build a hard border, when everyone has said they won’t.

Its an epic failure not to do this - as long as we appease Brussels we never have control. Its a complete myth.

5.5 years we will be back in the EU at this rate.

Not a hope in hell.

Here’s the latest which includes this:

“Northern Irish loyalist paramilitaries withdraw support for 1998 peace deal.”

"They said they would not return to the deal until their rights were restored and the Northern Irish Protocol - part of the 2020 Brexit Treaty - was amended to ensure unfettered trade between Britain and Northern Ireland.

But, they said, their core disagreement was more fundamental: that Britain, Ireland and the European Union had in the Northern Irish Protocol breached their commitments to the 1998 peace deal and the two communities."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland/northern-irish-loyalist-paramilitaries-withdraw-support-for-1998-peace-deal-idUSKCN2AW0K8?il=0

There you go.
Basically: “get rid or you’re causing the collapse of the GFA”.

[JBR]

@Bread

The EU don’t care about anything but their project. The UK should just tear the whole treaty up and walk away. There is no other solution - no other nation in the world gives away 80% of its fisheries in exchange for tarrifs on imports and gives away one of its countries to make sure that they don’t build a hard border, when everyone has said they won’t.

Its an epic failure not to do this - as long as we appease Brussels we never have control. Its a complete myth.

5.5 years we will be back in the EU at this rate.

I agree.

We should have walked away on 1 January, just as everyone thought we would until Boris caved in.

It’s not working, Boris. The evidence is there. What exactly have we gained by going for the BRINO option that we wouldn’t have gained by taking a true BREXIT path?

The present situation is doing nothing other than encouraging the whingeing remoaners who even now are still parading around with their placards and EU flags.

Even now, with our half-in and half-out situation, we are seeing a consequent disaffection of the EU by at least six EU countries, but they are as unsure as we are!

If we left properly now and told Brussels where to shove their rules, I’m quite sure that others would follow us out.

[Donkeyman]

@JBR

I agree.

We should have walked away on 1 January, just as everyone thought we would until Boris caved in.

It’s not working, Boris. The evidence is there. What exactly have we gained by going for the BRINO option that we wouldn’t have gained by taking a true BREXIT path?

The present situation is doing nothing other than encouraging the whingeing remoaners who even now are still parading around with their placards and EU flags.

Even now, with our half-in and half-out situation, we are seeing a consequent disaffection of the EU by at least six EU countries, but they are as unsure as we are!

If we left properly now and told Brussels where to shove their rules, I’m quite sure that others would follow us out.

Good point  JBR !!
I Never thought of that, l am mainly concerned with us on afraid !!
 But that would be a bonus !!

Donkeyman!

[Zaphod]

@JBR

I agree.

We should have walked away on 1 January, just as everyone thought we would until Boris caved in.

It’s not working, Boris. The evidence is there. What exactly have we gained by going for the BRINO option that we wouldn’t have gained by taking a true BREXIT path?

The present situation is doing nothing other than encouraging the whingeing remoaners who even now are still parading around with their placards and EU flags.

Even now, with our half-in and half-out situation, we are seeing a consequent disaffection of the EU by at least six EU countries, but they are as unsure as we are!

If we left properly now and told Brussels where to shove their rules, I’m quite sure that others would follow us out.

Softly, softly, catchee monkey.

There are many areas of disagreement remaining and still under review.
With that in mind, consider that the EU have not ratified the deal.

If indeed it is to be that no agreement is reached it is far better that the EU do not ratify the deal than that we withdraw, as it globally highlights EU irascibility yet again.

[Zaphod]

As if to confirm what I’ve said earlier comes this:
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“The European Parliament declined on Thursday to set a date for its vote on the EU-UK trade deal in protest at what the European Union sees as Britain’s unilateral changes to Northern Irish Brexit arrangements.”[/SIZE]

EU lawmakers stall vote to ratify EU-UK trade deal in protest