Nobody has to give you a reason for anything Arthur, we are all adults here and we don’t need a nanny telling us whether or not we should have a vaccination.
You have totally missed the point about the ‘chest infection season’ and I have no intention of explaining it to you.
Megs, no-one is telling you or anyone else whether or not to have the vaccination. You keep making such assertions because you are too emotionally involved and can’t stay objective. I have at no stage told you not to have the jab nor anyone else.
What I have done is provided what ought to be very useful information concerning the facts about the flu jab. In an open discussion such information and research should be welcomed.
I have clearly stated, I don’t care what you personally do, it’s your body, you are responsible for your own health. How you go about that is your choice. You can take the time to research any vaccines you have or you can choose to remain ignorant of any such research. We all have that same choice.
As a moderator you should have an objective approach to forum posts. Unfortunately you are being subjective in this case because of your own feelings about the vaccination.
I am providing valuable information about that vaccine because this thread is discussing it. If you don’t like the research then just ignore it. If you dispute the evidence then put up your evidence to the contrary. Either way don’t try to persecute me for providing that information.
It is also not unreasonable to ask of those who believe in the vaccine, what they think of the research. i.e. do they dispute it, if so on what grounds.
I haven’t made any point about your reference to the ‘chest infection season’. It was Malcolm who made reference to it. Maybe address your concerns to him?
Had mine yesterday. Sore arm today.
On the contrary Realist from the tone of your earlier posts you appears to be attempting to do just that by persuading people that vaccinations are of no value and you know best.
A selection of quotes from your previous posts…
A disctinct Nanny knows best attitude there I would say.
If there is a 1 in 1000 chance having the vaccination could prevent my being made ill by the influenza being in ‘a high risk category’ I would take that chance and have the vaccination regardless of what you or any study have to say on the subject.
Realist this quote is taken from one of your previous posts and is the sort of stuff spoken by someone who belong to some semi religious secretive cult and who holds strange beliefs include that there is some ‘cure all’ stone which fell into the wrong hands …
Jesus was a good man, he was also one of the elite few that knew the great secret of Nature, the secret being kept from the masses, handed down through the millennia by secret societies. He had The Stone, the Philospoher’s Stone, known also as the Elixir of Life, The Alkahest, Ambrosia, Soma (in Hindu) and a 100 other names in other cultures. It is the substance that bestows perfect health (not a medicine but a substance that provides all the energy the body needs to do its own thing). It is the substance that bestows longevity, allowing lifespans of 900 years an more. Noah also had The Stone.
The Stone, by providing all the energy the body needs, results in you not needing to eat or drink. The body would not suffer from extremes of heat or cold. It also permits the transmutation of one substance into another (because changes of form require energy and The Stone provides energy). Base metals into gold, water into wine etc.
Hence Jesus could heal the blind, the sick, the afflicted. Hence he could rise from the dead thanks to his disciples administering The Stone to him swiftly after crucifixion. hence he could walk into the desert for 40 days unharmed by the extremes of temperature or from starvation. etc etc etc.
A great man but a keeper of the great secret.
I believe the secret has been passed down and there exist in others today who are hundreds of years old. However, The Stone has long since fallen into the hands of the wrong people. Wicked people who are obsessed with the infinite wealth The Stone provides and the control it bestows. They have kept the secret for themselves and left the rest of us in slavery, in misery, poor ailing health and ridiculously short lifespans. We are trapped until someone releases the secret to the rest of humanity.
Realist you are of course entitled to believe in anything you choose including in the Philospoher’s Stone or even Santa Clause .
Some of us prefer to put our trust in modern medicine, that is our choice and we do not have to justify it to you or provide you with any reasons for our ‘beliefs’ .
I will have mine if they manage to catch me on the premises . The jab for last years flu strain to treat next years flu strain. Yes another con like benzodiazipines, anti depressants, statins…addiction by prescription …hello new world of cash making .
Dear oh dear Meg
I’ve stated numerous times I don’t care whether you have the jab or not. You even quoted one such statement from me which said:
“I’m not forcing MY VIEWS on you nor anyone else. I am presenting facts from respected scientific bodies. Facts which empirically prove that the flu jab is worthless.”
We can go on indefinitely with you repeatedly saying I’m telling you to not have the jab and me telling you I’m saying no such thing but it’s pretty puerile TBH.
The bottom line is simply that I’ve posted up evidence which is internationally respected. Evidence based on Randomised Controlled Tests of over 52,000 people. You clearly don’t like that evidence and you appear to not like me posting it up too.
Your own position is clear, you have made your mind up and will have the vaccine regardless. That’s fine and let me iterate one further time on the vague hope that you will take it on board, I DON’T CARE WHETHER YOU HAVE THE JAB OR NOT.
You state that “Some of us prefer to put our trust in modern medicine”
I consider the Cochrane institution and its systematic studies to be very much in the world of modern medicine. It has over 10,000 professional medical employees spread over some 90 countries and is internationally respected.
It has gathered masses of valuable research and made it available in it’s central database whose purpose is to allow medical practitioners everywhere to make informed decisions.
Once again, for anyone else interested in systematic reviews, here is their report on the Influeza Vaccines for Adults:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD001269.pub5/abstract
It is unclear at this stage Megs whether you are disputing this research or simply saying that for your special circumstances you are prepared to take long shot chances with medications. It doesn’t really matter either way as there is no debate to be had here given the stance you have already set out.
For everyone else, it is very much worth reading the available research on the vaccine so you can make an objective and informed decision.
I should leave it Meg. He won’t sleep tonight if he doesn’t have the last word.
Last 1500 words you mean, to tell us what we already know. Must be me, years regurgitating the same old subjects is so boring. Must be an old age thing.
Well I have not had the Flu Jab for 5 years and I haven’t had flu or even a cold in that time, so I won’t be having one this year once again.
Interesting Susie. Guessing you have a good immune system.
Out of interest, if you DID catch the flu one year would that then make you want the flu jab? i.e. Is the decision based on how often you get the flu or is it based in any part on whether the jab actually works or not?
Having not had the flu jab for many years I would like to explain my reasons for abstaining from this current offer by the NHS to provide protection against flu.
Back in 1972 I started a new job and come the winter went along with all the other lads and had my flu jab, courtesy of the company. (you had to pay for it in those days) The following week I developed the worst bout of flu I had ever experienced; I suspect I had been vaccinated against the wrong strain. Since then I have abstained from further vaccinations even though I have suffered two Heart Attacks and am now one of those most at risk.
I believe that:
(1) The flu jab is only useful if they choose the strain of flu that you catch. (there are thousands)
(2) Although health issues in the past, I believe my bodies resistance should be capable of combating the virus.
and (3) I don’t believe the hype surrounding the flu jab. There is a lot of controversy surrounding this medication, it is not a silver bullet as is made out.
Agree with the bit in bold. I’ve never had a flu jab despite being offered it annually when I was working in healthcare. I have also, to my knowledge, never had flu in my life.
Having said that, I think it is perfectly reasonable for those who are at risk of complications from flu to have the flu jab each year. Ok, it’s hit and miss, but it might just save some from illness or even death.
I thoroughly recommend people take a look at the following link. It shows a slide-show presentation given by Glen Nowak, Ph.D.Associate Director for Communications National Immunization Program at the CDC.
This is a presentation that was made with a carefully laid out campaign of how to purposefully convince a nation to take up the flu vaccine. It is staggering.
The pages of interest begin at about slide 27 which is entitled:
“the Seven-Step Recipe for Generating Interest in, and Demand for, Flu(or any other) Vaccination”
This is a planned “fear” campaign designed to make people worry and to cause alarm, underpinned by an onslaught of co-ordinated media and medical publicity
That “recipe” follows on slide 30 onwards and runs like this:
“RECIPE THAT FOSTERS HIGHER INTEREST AND DEMAND FOR INFLUENZA VACCINE"
[I]1.Influenza’s arrival coincides with immunization “season” (i.e., when people can take action)
2.Dominant strain and/or initial cases of disease are:
–Associated with severe illness and/or outcomes –Occur among people for whom influenza is not generally perceived to cause serious complications (e.g., children, healthy adults, healthy seniors) –In cities and communities with significant media outlets(e.g., daily newspapers, major TV stations)
3.Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)–and urge influenza vaccination.
4.The combination of ‘2’ and ‘3’ result in:
A. Significant media interest and attention
B. Framing of the flu season in terms that motivate behaviour (e.g., as “very severe,” “more severe than last or past years,” “deadly”)
5.Continued reports (e.g., from health officials and media) that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people–helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza.
6.Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness(e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)
7.References to, and discussions, of pandemic influenza– along with continued reference to the importance of vaccination.
It has to be said the reading some of the posts here this campaign has been quite successful as posters have often stated that their reason for having the flu jab is due to the fear and worry of catching flu and what complications might arise from it. There is little evidence that people are doing any research to see if that vaccination has been scientifically proven to be effective.
I agree with you but alas the nature of the membership means you are flogging a dead horse.
In fact in all facets of life you will be flogging a dead horse as pharmaceutical company’s rule the world in hand with money and greed.
The Flu-Jab being a lot less worse than other prescription drugs, past and present.
Hi Realist,
I used to have the Flu Jab, but found that my arm was so painful afterwards that I couldn’t even lift it, then I would catch a nasty cold, so I just decided not to have one any more, as I seem to be better of without it.
Just eat plenty of garlic and chilli, that will keep colds at bay.
After I had 3 really bad chest infections in a row and became sensitive to antibiotics I was recommended to have a flu jab about 4 years ago, of course anyone is free not to have one but I have never looked back and have one every year as it stopped my chest infections dead. I also have the pneumonia one which I think you only need every 3 or 4 years. If I hadn’t had them I am certain I would be dead now as the chest infection I had last nearly killed me and I had to spend time in hospital on a drip. It seems to me if you need them you are daft not to have them but if you are scared of them obviously you have take your chances. Must be better for the NHS for many of us to have them rather than end up taking up space in a ward for days.
The only thing the influenza vaccination does it to prevent the influenza virus from reproducing in your body by pre-alerting your antibodies to a particular strain.
It will not prevent any bacterial chest infections Julie
So why would the GP advise it and the chest infections stop so suddenly ? I think I will carry on believing the GP on this occasion as I want to live a little longer.
Because a viral influenza attack on top of a bacterial lung infection would have probably killed you !
Always go along with your GP Julie he knows what’s best for you, but ask questions about your treatments so you know what’s going on 
Yes always go along with your GP Malcolm:-(
