I am getting fed up of hearing on the news that BAME and Other ‘ethnic ‘ minorities ie the traveler community ( who are no more ethnic than my Great aunt Fanny ) are in more danger .
If they can’t be arsed to get the vaccine well they will just have to accepted the consequences and either recover or die hopefully without cluttering up the NHS .
Personally I couldn’t care less if the traveller community catch it or not ( as long as they don’t give it to anyone else ) and would be a hypocrite to say otherwise .
As for the BAME community well if they would prefer to consult the witch doctor down the road why don’t they return to the countries form when they originated and die there ( the very countries that are begging for developed countries to give them the vaccine.
I don’t think the anti-vacs look at it from that point of view.
I can understand ignorant people believing idiot theories and fake news - that includes many of the bame community and largely caused by immersing themselves in communities from the same ethnic backgrounds, rather than accepting the country which has accepted them! The responsibility factor probably hasn’t even occurred to them…but educated people? How can anyone accept responsibility for putting someone else’s life at risk and expect others to pull together to help them if they get the virus!
It’s happening worldwide at the moment with people who feel they are free to travel wherever they wish despite not being vaccinated. If anyone dares to suggest they should wait till they get vaccinated, or asks about the welfare of others on the plane they travel in - they are demonised!!! Freedom of speech applies to all.
Freedom of movement will (I hope) be controlled with Vaccination Certificates as I fully intend to travel…but not in a plane full of irresponsible couldn’t-care-less- ignorant people!
I will NOT have my freedom curtailed or put at risk by others!
I agree Lindyloo
Sad to say I have two friends who are anti vaxers.
Both are extremely vulnerable with serious medical conditions and if they get it they will die . But until they have put the health service at considerable trouble.
Both are educated but IMO in this instance ignorant and irresponsible.
Yes - those types and conspiracy theorists seem to enjoy calling attention to themselves. Why do they believe they are so special and important? They’ll be the first to shout “discrimination” when denied entry to something…and I’ll be the first to shout “idiot” back!!
I hope that all the people, who were brave enough to have an unknown vaccination, are convincing the rest of the world that it is the only way to beat this virus! I sincerely hope that those, who have had not been able to have it, will be more protected from catching it by the bravery of others.
For those who just wont have it, maybe we should send them to a remote island, if they do catch it, because I don’t want many more NHS workers to die from a disease they have worked so hard to save others from!
I’m not telling anyone not to have the vaccine Lindy…
I’m saying I’m not going to have it based on what I know about my life…
I didn’t have all the vaccinations that you had when you traveled to foreign countries…Why would I, I haven’t been anywhere where I needed to be vaccinated. If I was traveling there I would have the vaccine too…
Funny you should mention that Bruce, I was reading the other day on the ONS website that they find it strange that not one person has been admitted to hospital this winter with flu…They reckon it’s probably down to all the precautions people are taking to avoid covid.
You don’t have to be scientist to know how to avoid getting colds and flu Lindy.
Just living in this country for seventy years gives you a good idea what to do keep yourself safe
I also had the usual childhood vaccinations, but I’m not calling those into question.
You say you value your life Lindy, and I also value mine, that’s why I’m still here at seventy and still running 30 miles per week.
You didn’t read question (5) did you Twink…
5. DID YOU KNOW 99.8% OF PEOPLE SURVIVE COVID19?
The case-fatality ratio of Sars-Cov-2 infection has been a bone of contention for months, but it is certainly much lower than all the initial models predicted.
It was originally massively inflated, with the WHO using a figure of 3.4%.
As I know personally three people who have died of covid I wouldn’t bet your life on these figures .
And they were not obese people either with underlying health conditions.
They were people of your age who were quite fit for their age .
It’s everyone’s choice but who will care for them in hospital if and when they get it?
I hope they bring in vac passports it’s the most sensible thing to do if you want to travel and I do .I don’t want to travel with people who may be a danger to me .
I am not an anti vaxxer Lindy, I’m an ‘anti me vaxxer’ and how are people who have not been vaccinated putting you and others at risk?
You don’t know their medical history for a start Muddy.
Three people from a combined death rate spread over two winters and over 100,000 deaths.
You are assuming that from a population of 68 million souls, 64 million of which have never caught covid that the people who have not been vaccinated will (a) catch covid and (b) require hospitalisation…
If everyone followed the rules of lockdown, the virus would not spread to anyone else. I’ve been following the rules Muddy, as I’m sure that you have. And neither of us has caught covid…
Because it’s makes it harder to reach heard immunity if there are unvaccinated people running around .
People who refuse vaccination or don’t believe in herd immunity are still part of the process. As the risk of infection decreases within their communities, they are recipients of the benefits of community-wide vaccination whether they know it or not.
If large sector of the population does not get the recommended vaccines, eradicated diseases can begin to return.
I think the anti fax stance is dependant on everyone else getting the vaccination so the anti me vac person doesn’t have to bother or put himself at risk .
Why would people who have not been vaccinated be a danger to you Muddy…?
We are talking covid here Muddy, not eradicated diseases in general…I’ve had my TB jab among others, and I believe in herd immunity, that’s why if I catch covid I will come out the other side with a natural immunity. And don’t tell me that natural immunity only lasts so long, as does the vaccine immunity, as you might as well not have the vaccine if it’s not going to be any use in six months time. I am still here because my body has created natural immunity to such things as the common cold, and if I look after my body it will continue to protect me until my heart gives out. Which will probably be cause of my demise…Not covid.
One was my ex husband OGF who I kept in touch with so I do know their medical history and the other too as well as it happens .
You don’t know the anti vaxers may well catch covid - and it’s not a good way to die and even if you don’t it can have serious side effects .Then again you may catch it and have no symptoms and go around shedding the virus left right and centre .
Nope the I’m all right Jack attitude is not convincing we are all in this together .
Just check out Australia’s covid record achieved without a vaccine just good management and plenty of sunshine…
Australia
Cases 28,965 Change: 8
Deaths 909 Change: 0
Critical
Cases per Million 1,127
The death rate hasn’t changed in months, why? because Aussies get out more and due to the sunshine have far better immune systems is what I reckon.
I’m sorry to hear about your ex husband Muddy, but you can’t go around blaming people for all the deaths just because they refuse to have the vaccine. You can still catch the virus and go around nonchalantly shedding the virus right left and centre after you’ve had the vaccine, so it’s me who should be afraid of you…:shock:.
So are you saying I should consult you on all of my medical issues Muddy?
I find myself agreeing with every word, Muddy.
How is your great aunt Fanny, BTW?