The trouble is that they don’t understand this virus. They do not think it is affected by the weather. It’s not like flu. There are plenty of infectious diseases that can be caught all year round. This is like a Russian roulette because nobody knows who will get the bullet and who will get the blanks. So people may think they are safe but be targeted. Men are more in danger than women.
They probably don’t record recovery figures properly.
That is so different a theory to mull over , thanks for posting it Bruce .
I recall Linda Lusardi saying she was vomiting over the toilet bowl and even that was blue which I found puzzling , but not now .
I was musing over this virus on my morning walk and so much seems to depend on finding a vaccine and it occurred to me that history is not on our side.
What if there is no vaccine? there are plenty of viruses for which no vaccine has been found - think common cold! Even the flu vaccine is only partially effective compared to something like a smallpox or polio vaccine. Medical opinion seems to be that even if you catch this virus and survive the immunity it offers might only be temporary.
Will it be like AIDs? Society struggled on for many decades before anti viral medicines reduced the tragic toll of AIDS. The difference this time is that the Covid19 disease is very contagious so the lower mortality rate is still pretty catastrophic.
What will society be like after this is over? Most western countries have their economy on life support. At the moment the mid term future economically looks pretty bleak, laden with massive debt and faltering trade.
Will our future be constantly interrupted by outbreaks of Covid19 requiring localised lock downs and isolations?
That’s a bit depressing isn’t it?
BTW Seven people died yesterday in Australia the worst day’s death toll yet.
Recovery is probably the least important figure so it is not recorded accurately.
At the end of the day it is the total cases and mortality that matters, in the long term recovery figures can be calculated by subtracting one from the other.
Global Cases 1,431,973
Global Deaths 82,096
Mortality Rate 5.5%
(Flu Mortality Rate 0.1%)
Australia
Cases 6,010
Deaths 50
Critical 89
Cases per Million 236
U.K.
Cases 55,242
Deaths 3,872
Critical 3,987
Cases per Million 745
USA
Cases 400,540
Deaths 12,857
Critical 9,169
Cases per Million 1210
Was only referring to the UK figures.
The UK figures are just as incomplete as anywhere else. We do not track every individual after they have been infected. We do not know how many have really been infected. It’s a red herring in the stats.
So was I. It was the only one you mentioned.
Thats a new slant on what is happening with this virus Brucy and is
very interesting?
The current consensus is that pnuemonia is what actually kills you
not the actual virus . Pnuemonia causes death by filling your lungs
with fluids leading to suffocation, the new theory , backed by medical
evidence suggests that this new virus in effect fills your lungs with
CO2, with the same result (death!). So maybe the symptons of this
new virus need treating in a slightly different way to pnuemonia?
I am sure the medics have allready cosidered this as they have
stated evidence of the lower oxygen levels of patients blood?
But a very interesting article Brucy! Thanks for posting!
Donkeyman!
All loos used to be blue not so long ago zuleika!
Donkeyman!
Donkeyman the vomit beiing observed by LL as blue plus listening to Bruce’s link is making me rethink more about the alleged origin of this virus.
I don’t quite understand this.
Is someone claiming that she is vomiting de-oxygenated blood?
If so, they are misinformed.
De-oxygenated blood is red, as is oxygenated blood.
It is only blue on anatomical diagrams!
Oh, l thought she was being facetious zulu??
My mistake, blue spew? Bloody hell!!
Donkeyman!
I don’t know that she was claiming anything JBR it was reported in many newspapers , I doubt she knew anything about what you’re mentioning ,just telling it as she experienced it .https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/11352225/linda-lusardi-tears-gmb-coronavirus/
Here is a transcript of the interview with the Professor of Intensive Care about the way the Covid19 affects the human body - well worth reading:
PROFESSOR HUGH MONTGOMERY, PROFESSOR OF INTENSIVE CARE, UCL: That’s a very good question and in many ways we don’t actually know.
So, this is being presented like bad flu and it really isn’t. This is as different from flu as Ebola is from an ingrown toenail. This is a very, very different disease.
You might feel like you have got flu - achy, breathless and so forth - but this is not the same thing.
Most people get infected, don’t get many symptoms. If they do they are quite mild or they feel like they have got flu and they get better.
Some, however, it is around day 10 to 12 in the majority - sometimes later, sometimes earlier - will get progressively short of oxygen. So the oxygen levels in their blood will fall.
They have a very profound drive to breathe which seems way beyond that that would be driven just by the low oxygen and sometimes those patients are aware of that air hunger and breathlessness and sometimes they are just not and we see them blue and panting and they are unaware they are even unwell at all.
Now some of those just need a little supplemental oxygen and will get better but some will progressively worsen. They will go on to a tight-fitting mask that helps inflate the lungs a little bit and deliver more oxygen.
They lay down on their tummies to help improve oxygen for other reasons but then they would end up needing to be intubated and air blowing in and out of lungs.
Now normally, if this was a viral pneumonitis or a viral infection of the lung or a bacterial infection of the lung, the problem is little air sacs getting inflamed and the air sacs getting full of gunk and nasty pussy tissue and that is not what is happening here at all.
The low oxygen levels and the very high carbon dioxide levels we’re seeing, seems to be due to something wrong with the blood vessels in the lung.
So blood essentially is coming into the lung full of carbon dioxide and without much oxygen and it is transiting the lung to the arterial side in exactly the same state that it came in.
So a lot of this problem seems to be vascular and indeed when we measure clotting in the blood, it is off the scale abnormal.
There are things called D-Dimers that break down clot and those would be up a little bit if you had a clot. These are stratospheric levels.
So this seems to be a blood and blood vessel disorder.
LEIGH SALES: Given how unusual this is, once you reach a stage where you require intubation, what are your chances at that point of survival?
HUGH MONTGOMERY: Well, depends really on what data. We can only start reporting on our own because each healthcare system is different and they are overwhelmed to different degrees and the level of which you are overwhelmed will clearly determine outcome.
[B]We’ve not got enough through to know at the moment but roughly at the moment, we would be expecting around 50 per cent of our patients to die, and 50 per cent to survive.
It could be worse than that. I doubt that it will be substantially better.[/B]
“Your vomit is blue” - something she’d eaten? How else could her vomit be blue?
“Zero oxygen in her blood” - then she must be dead.
Whether it’s the person’s statements or the newspaper’s reporting, it doesn’t really make sense.
Why do so many talk about the old and vulnerable as though they don,t matter? It matters to them and I see no reason why they should be singled out like this. Very upsetting to the old and vulnerable to keep reading statements like this.
Best knowledge is in Bruce’s transcript ( of the link) in the post before yours where a doctor explains about blood ,oxygen etc.
Indeed. I accept that.
But I see no mention of blue vomit or blood with a content of zero oxygen.
The words I have emboldened sound like media exaggeration.