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If you read my post again, it said “that any large enterprise must have both leaders, to come up with the ideas, and implementers”.
Yes I did read and re-read your post. The problem with your leaders (ideas) and implementers (do-ers) is when the leaders come up with bad ideas. Take Brexit for example as a bad idea. When the implementers looked at this and its consequences, they were right to note that it was a bad idea that needed changed. Worse, the notion of Brexit was not even defined. It was everything from the softest exit (as promoted at the time of the referendum) to the hardest possible (as rapidly promoted after the referendum - but which no-one was told about). Got to feel sorry for the implementers who must have looked at the leaders and thought “you arses”
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Well, I’ll leave you to your preaching.
We will not convert you, you will not convert us.
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Us and Them.
I’ve no doubt that your mind is set and not for changing.
Unlike those in Westminster who, even when they can’t admit it out loud, see Brexit for the disaster it so evidently is.
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Maybe, we are out of the fire, into the frying pan?
I think this says it all there are no benefits and it’s been a monumental disaster .
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I dont agree its been a disaster…true we are not seeing many benefits now but that was expected…the UK hasn’t gone into recession…OK just by a whisker but a win is a win people fail to recognise that. All the strikes etc we have now are nothing to do with Brexit that would have happened whatever…same with the cost of living which would have been much the same
I dont tend to be led by the nose by the tabloid press…I make my own judgements
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I agree with you summer. I firmly believe that Brexit was the right direction for this country and if we had the vote again I would still want us out of the EU. My opinions, like yours, are not lead by the media but are founded by my own observations over the years when we were part of the EU. I rarely join in the Brexit discussions on here but watch, often with some amusement, the ways in which the so-called Remainers tie themselves in knots trying to make us see that we were wrong to vote the way we did.
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Love the way The Guardian have headlined this meeting lol
Wouldn’t a more appropriate headline have been something like ‘Brexit the way forward’.
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Funny how so many businesses are having to deal with the loss of sales to the EU countries or the additional costs & complexities of trying to keep their EU customers. And in contrast there are so few (that is, none) who are raving about the new customers and new sales to non-EU countries that has stemmed from Brexit. Any of us, individually, might not be directly impacted by Brexit. That is not the same as being able to take a view that Brexit is not a problem that is impeding the UK economy.
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https://www.ft.com/content/6d86951c-a4af-4d0b-95da-7856d4db8639
The UK companies seeing the upside of Brexit
Despite the EU-UK trade deal bringing disruption and red tape, some companies report benefits
As many UK ports struggle with delays and falling trade after Brexit, in Liverpool Stephen Carr is hiring 150 dock workers. “We are at 80-90 per cent capacity at the moment and growing,” said Carr, the commercial director of Peel Ports, which counts Liverpool as one of its UK shipping hubs. The Covid-19 pandemic and new border controls with the EU have upended business models across the continent and the economic impact is starting to be felt. Fish and meat have been left to rot because of delays and complicated paperwork. Many companies have stopped delivering to and from the UK because of increased charges. Economists predict leaving the EU will reduce the UK’s prosperity but, amid the disruption, opportunities are available, argued Mark Gregory, UK chief economist of EY, the professional services firm. “Brexit is a process not an event and the winners and losers will only become clear over time.” Liverpool, the UK’s fifth-biggest container port, in north-west England, is one of the early winners, gaining traffic from southern rivals as logistics companies try to avoid congestion at the busier Channel crossing points. In recent months three new services into Liverpool have started, following investment of more than £400m. One brings unaccompanied containers from Santander in northern Spain weekly. “That would have driven through France and gone across the Channel before,” said Carr. Another has won transatlantic freight trade, destined for northern England, from the congested southern port of Felixstowe. Rather than risk delays there, shippers load it on to a smaller vessel that stops at Liverpool. The third is Liverpool’s first link with east Asia in decades. Shipping line CMA CGM stops in Dunkirk to offload containers and collect others from northern France and Belgium before heading to Liverpool. Some EU retailers have also decided to hold more stock in the UK to ensure they can guarantee delivery times amid border delays. One UK logistics operator, who declined to be named, said it was opening warehouse space for EU clients. “We are working with a Polish company,” it said. It holds stock and delivers for EU customers in the UK, while its Polish counterpart does the same in the EU, limiting border crossings. “There will be a lot of these partnerships,” it said.
Some manufacturers have reshaped their operations to make the most of the changed trading environment. Statiflo, a maker of static mixers used in the water and other industries, has switched its warehouse to supply countries outside the EU from Germany to its Macclesfield base. “We could have built up our German operation but we have the expertise in the UK,” said Gareth Fry, managing director. It exports to more than 80 countries and is used to dealing with customs paperwork. “The problem is that companies who only sold to Europe were not really exporting. They don’t know what to do now,” Fry said.
For Brandauer, a 160-year-old family-owned engineering company, the drop in the pound caused by Brexit has boosted overseas demand for their products. The Birmingham-based business expects to grow beyond its pre-pandemic size this year and is recruiting. “We have won business in France, Netherlands and Germany recently,” said Rowan Crozier, chief executive. “We have not lost a single EU customer.” Brandauer, which makes precision components which go into cars, razors, medical devices and the Large Hadron Collider in Cern, exports 75 per cent of its output.
EY’s Gregory said he expects manufacturers will shift production for the UK into the country, while they shut operations that are part of EU-wide supply chains. So even as EU overall inward investment dropped in the four years after the June 2016 Brexit referendum it increased in some sectors as companies prepared to make products in the UK for the British market. “There is likely to be growth in UK investment in sectors such as food and advanced manufacturing as supply chains shift in response to the new trading requirements while export-oriented sectors such as automotive and financial services could well experience capital outflows,” he said. Inevitably, given the extra red tape and paperwork associated with the EU-UK deal agreed by the two sides on Christmas Eve, one big growth market is bureaucracy.
Watford-based accountancy firm Hillier Hopkins became an accredited customs agent after the government said UK businesses would need to make 255m customs declarations a year, up from 55m before Brexit.
Ruth Corkin, a former HMRC staffer, used government funding for training and has now employed an apprentice to help. “We could see there would be a market,” she said. She added that the software needed to fill in declarations was too expensive and complicated to operate for small companies so her service was vital and getting busier. HMRC’s Customs Declaration Service (CDS) is difficult to access by businesses and is still being developed. At the moment the old Chief system is being used for most transactions and can take between three and 12 months to register and secure the software needed. “It is so time-consuming. If it carries on like this I will have to reduce my VAT work. That will mean hiring someone else,” added Corkin. Simon Hart, international lead partner at RSM, the accountants, said he expected the system to bed down. “We are going to have to get used to more paperwork. If you are best in class people will come to you regardless of whether they have to fill out some paperwork,” he said.
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Yawn.
You and the Brexit fans can noise off as much as you like. The long term (hey, the short term too) view will continue to be that this was a crass, dumb, insular, fearful, inward looking, harmful, negative act.
I drone about this damaging action because I deeply care about the well being of the UK. If I did not care I would simply laugh. But instead I weep.
In the meantime can I note that one company in your FT article has had to open a EU based warehouse. This is not unusual. Many UK businesses that trade with the EU have had to create a EU based centre for re-distribution. That means growing employment in the EU, paying taxes in the EU and, directly, reducing both in the UK. These are not exactly a Brexit benefit are they?
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Passes Strathmore a box of tissues
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I think he may need more than one box …!
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What’s done is done, a moment in time, the crossroads, what has happened can’t be unraveled, just like 30 years of EU legislation which has been swept under the carpet.
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This just popped up in my YouTube feed, it is a month old but it also says that only 30% of Britons now say leaving the EU was a good idea.
I wonder where they got that figure from?
Nothing went wrong, silly.
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Course not our economy just shrunk all by itself and despite the bus claims the NHS just laid down and died .
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