So it would seem to be much ado about nothing??
So why is there so much kerfuffle internationally about it?
Could it be the media is playing on our fears?
Or is it just that media has taken a larger share of our attention?
I did question earlier on the forum somewhere whether we had
over reacted in some respects to events?
After all with a population of over 7 billion worldwide, and death
figures of maybe just over a third of a million( mainly old ) the
odds of death due to the virus are infinitesimal, something like
0. O2% of population,( see Brucy for exact figure)??
I think the odds for surviving are unbelievably good!!!
Good news continues!
New cases down, new deaths down, bed occupation down!!
Bad news continues!
Passenger flights continue, illegal immigration continues to grow!!
I was reading Dan Hodges’ column in Sunday’s MoS this morning and he has some remarkable things to say about the death toll figures in the UK, Italy and Spain. We are, it seems, not even close to the numbers of dead peeps as there are in Italy and perhaps Spain because they report differently to us. For starters, we include deaths in hospital, care homes and in the wider environment, Italy and Spain report just hospital deaths. In addition to this, some high up in Italy’s equivalent to our Office of National Statistics stated last week that the number of deaths in Italy had been vastly understated. Here’s a link to the whole article: DAN HODGES: We don't have the worst Covid-19 death rate in Europe and it's wicked to pretend we do | Daily Mail Online
I posted this elsewhere on OFF about an interview on the Andrew Marr television programme (last Sunday) where doubts were expressed about some figures in relation to coronavirus being incorrect, see link below (post #58):
Apologies Donkeyman, something about the link, it was OK when posted. However, if you go to the original post that one will work (the first link on that thread, post # 58), just checked it. His comments will be found 47 minutes into the video.
Or the link below should work, this new technology is sometimes a real pain!
(Worth waiting for though, IMO.):
I don’t recall anyone here or in the media or the Labour Party for that matter calling for an earlier lockdown at the time…hindsight is a wonderful thing
That is not fair, we are not epidemiologists. Britain’s record on this is poor and the proof of the pudding is in the eating, the numbers show the response was too slow.
There were plenty of expert voices saying lockdown early and lockdown hard. Even China showed the way once they finally admitted to a problem They started locking down hard in mid January.
Italy started locking down in mid February yet Britain only started locking down mid March at the same time as Australia and NZ who were far behind Britain in the number of cases yet who had previously stopped incoming international flights from Covid19 hot spots as early as January. All incoming passenger flights were banned in March when all visas were cancelled.
I am going by memory here but I think that is broadly right.
The press is reporting that the true Covod19 deaths in Britain are actually about 50000 not the claimed 33000. Something has gone terribly wrong in the UK, there is no sugar coating it.
We dont add the the normal natural death rate to our statstics
Brucy!
And l doubt you do either??
But certain individuals over here with other agendas tend to conflate
issues to make their case!
I thank you for your concern for the people of britain!!
Yet again, you’re just making an ass of yourself Assman. (You certainly picked an appropriate name)
Naturally I am concerned for the safety and well being of my brother, nieces, nephews, cousins and many other relatives who live in the UK. Why wouldn’t I be?
The reported 50000 figure is calculated from the UK ONS figures.
To show quite simply, so that even you can understand it, why this is likely to be the case - here are the ONS (UK Office of National Statistics) Covid19 deaths for the whole of March 2010:
England and Wales England Wales
3,372 3,234 127
That is a total of 3372 deaths for March attributed to Covid19 for just England and Wales
If we now refer to the “Official” UK figures for the beginning of April as reported in[post=1881660] my post on 1st April[/post]
U.K.
Cases 25150
Deaths 1789
Critical 163
Cases per Million 370
The figure for total deaths from Covid19 up to that time was 1789 whereas the UK ONS reported 3372 deaths just for March. in other words the “official” figure for the whole of the UK was about 50% of the figure from the ONS (Office of National Statistics) for just England and Wales.
You can check the figures here.
Here is a section of the ONS spreadsheet:
If you carry that logic to the current “official” figure then 50000 is possibly an under estimate of the true number of Covid19 deaths.
But you used an estimate pulished by the medianwhich geussed
that uks total corona death figure was actually 50,000 odd and
not the 32,000 odd official figure Brucy!
That is not very scientific of you if l may say so?
Whilst l agree our figures are no good and seem slow to respond,
they are at last on a downward trend, allthough today deaths
spiked,but that is not as important as the daily new cases??
I think the whole world made a big mistake medical wise when
they insisted on repatriating people in both directions as soon as
the virus was announced., and ALL countries were complicit in
this, Uk has not yet stopped passenger flights into uk??
they only have to say they will self isolate FFS!
But as l say, none of this would be neccassary if China had been
isolated at the very beginning!!
Oh come on! It wasn’t a guess it was a statistical calculation based on official data from the UK Office of National Statistics a sample of which I showed you and which confirmed that calculation. If the ONS figures are not “official” I don’t know what is.
Stop squirming Assman you were babbling about including “normal natural deaths” which as those figures showed was totally irrelevant.
For your information flights from China to Australia were completely banned in January 2020
Then it was too late wasnt it!
You guys responded earlier than most at best,
The antipodese are only doing better in this epidemic because of
The ligistical advantages they benefit from, and not because of
any mental superiority of the population??
I will concede on the guess point that it was an educated guess,
so therefore not scientific?
I think those were special flights galty, not scheduled commercial
Flights?
We also flew a couple of them into the UK and also stopped
commercial flights!
But it seems that some passenger flight are operating again on
a regular basis?? How that came about l have no idea, but l think
that this is happening could be the reason why we seem unable
to reduce our new infection rate below the 3,000 per day mark,
which we have been hovering around for several days now!
I cant see why they cant stop all flights complerely for a couple of weeks jus to prove if the new infections fall or not, just do a test in
other words??What reason could be given not to do something
like this??
We could be pissing about till kingdom come if something new
is not tried!!
Not much progress today!!
New cases very slightly down, but not enough to cheer about,
still above 3,000 cases per day! Not good enough, the rate needs
to drop drasticly in the next week or so for an overall improvement
big enough to warrant lifting restrictions too much??
I notice the graphs we are shown seem to show a series of
equally spaced ( six to eight days) peaks over the last month
that never drop below the 3,000 per day level?
What event could these peaks coincide with?
Flight arrivals maybe???
From a certain country maybe???
