It is available but not on the NHS. I think it was always available privately.
They should split the vaccines and let people have a choice. This would result in increased vaccination.
What about it?
Are you asserting it is safe? Or not safe?
Everybody has an opinion on vaccines, but hardly anybody has irrefutable proof! Even the Cochrane Institute cannot prove that the flu jab doesnât work because, if they did, the world press would be very happy to report it!
The whole point about vaccines is that it is a personal choice, so you either have it and risk not being protected from the illness⊠Or you have it & hope that it will do as expected. If you donât catch the illness you will never know whether it has worked or not, but one jab is the price you pay to make sure !
One thing I do think is wrong, is for anybody to debate vaccines on a forum, in an attempt to stop people having themâŠ.unless they can prove it is unsafe.âŠwhich even the Cochrane Industry has been unable to do :!:
I have 4 insulin jabs a day and I know if they arenât working my blood sugar tests would prove there was a problem, so I am not likely to die. 
One thing I would like to say is without this insulin, that was made by a pharmaceutical company, I would have probably died 30 years ago. These companies spend a fortune on making sure their goods are safe, and many people are still alive because they do so.:!:
The question was to you. What do you think of the stand alone measles vaccine?
Exactly Twink.
In some less developed countries people have to rely on natural remedies because they do not have access to the myriad of cures we do. Lots of children in poorer countries die of illnesses that you can vaccinate against.
All medicines have side effects for some individuals, be they natural or developed by man. Being ill is a risk in itself because there has always been danger that you will not recover. But vaccination reduces the risk of others being ill.
Yes some people have adverse reactions to immunisation but then some people have adverse reactions to paracetamol and some people die because they eat a peanut or egg. They donât know before they eat that peanut that it will kill them. In the same way we donât know who will react badly to medication.
It would perhaps make sense for them to have some sort of test to check whether someone will have an adverse reaction.
In terms of the Pharma industry I tend to agree with Realist that there is going to be corruption there. After all it is motivated by profits. However, my main concern is that they are likely to impede progress of medical innovation to protect profits of existing medication. So Iâm sure they fund studies to discredit new cures.
Apparently Cochrane was recently exposed as being in cahoots with big pharma by one of its founding members. Itâs a shame that we cannot have a totally independent body. But any such organisation will be at risk of corruption by those who wish to twist the truth to be in their favour.
Who knows what anti vaxxers are after. It appears to me some sort of anarchic movement.
Hereâs a bit more info to throw fuel on the fire for those who like to âdebateâ.
I have just read two very different articles about vaccines, and I will quote the relevant parts of both:
- "Doctors at a major pediatric hospital in the US are refusing to treat children who have not been vaccinated or havenât followed the proper schedule.
" This hospital is in St. Petersburg, Florida.
They have given parents a 90-day notice to get their children fully vaccinated or find a different doctor.
The clinic says it wonât recognise the usual religious exemptions, even though it is an exclusion that is permitted under Florida state law.
"The clinicâs medical director, Dr. Rachel Dawkins, says it wonât accept any new patients who arenât vaccinated, and existing patients who have not been vaccinated, or have not completed the full schedule, must comply within 90 days.
âShe says the vaccines have been âthoroughly testedâ for their safety and effectiveness.â
The second article is the opposite and headed - " Vaccines Linked to Autism."
"Children with Autism have âextraordinarily highâ levels of aluminium in their brains - and one source could be vaccinations, a scientist is claiming.
Aluminium salts are added to vaccines to help stimulate the immune response.
âDr. Christopher Exley of Keele University in the UK says - " Perhaps we now have the putative link between vaccination and ASD (autism spectrum disorder), the link being the inclusionk of an aluminium adjuvant (an immune response activator) in the vaccine.â
âThere are several theories as to why ASD sufferers have such large amounts of the metal in their brains. They could have a genetic predesposition, which makes them more liable to accumulate and retain aluminium, or it could be the adjvants in vaccines - or even a combinaton of the two.â
So there you go folks, a bit more info to chew over, but imagine the response here if our kids/grandkids were refused hospital treatment unless they had been fully vaccinated.
Thatâs interesting Mups. Iâd love to know whether itâs in respect of the MMR vaccine or vaccs in general.
Important for people to get the available facts before making rash statements imho.
Cochrane HAS proved that the Measles works, letâs get that straight Twink.
âBased on the available evidence, one MMR vaccine dose is at least 95% effective in preventing clinical measles and 92% effective in preventing secondary cases among household contacts.â
But this is just a fraction of the info we need to be able to make an informed decision.
I could equally say that shooting a person means they wonât get Measles !!
The crux of the problem with Measles vaccine, and for that matter ANY vaccine, is whether it has been properly, independently tested to a significant degree, and whether there have been unbiased comprehensive studies about the adverse effects, how often they occur and how many fatalities occur from the vaccine.
Unfortunately the vaccine industry has no vested interest in putting in place such testing and data because the results would be very detrimental to their sales and business.
Nevertheless these powerful conglomerates wield immense power and sway and as a result we are in the crazy, farcical situation where this industry is permitted to peddle largely untested vaccines on an unwitting populous with complete immunity from prosecution when they injure of kill people as a result.
You just couldnât make up such a situation and yet this is what exists.
In terms of Measles, itâs patently clear that the MMR vaccine IS NOT safe to some degree. The same could be said for most vaccines. The VAERS programme and vaccine compensation programme speak volumes. Literally $billions have already been paid out to victims of vaccine damage. $billions !! There are heart rending stories of young children permanently damaged or killed.
So whilst the uninformed will wax lyrical about how wicked people are when they donât vaccinate their kids, they are entirely ignorant of the facts and have absolutely no idea whatsoever how much damage is being done by vaccines. Such people have simply been brainwashed by the media and health service Campaigns Of Fear.
It doesnât say which vaccines Annie.
I assumed it meant all available childhood vaccines?
Hereâs a bit more from the Florida childrenâs hospital though:
" Unvaccinated children are at higher risk for becoming ill with a host of preventable diseases that can have serious and sometimes devastating consequences.
In addition, unvaccinated children can potentially spread a preventable disease to another child who may be too young ro be vaccinated, or who is immune compromised."
Sadly this is not uncommon. Various GPs and clinics were also threatening to strike patients off their membership lists if they didnât take the yearly flu shot.
Disgusting profiteering and totalitarianism imho.
And she is totally lying through her teeth.
One simply needs to read the actual vaccine insert paper in the packet to realise this. It states clearly that it has not been tested for carcinogens or mutagenics. But we also know from the extensive Cochrane Institute tests that there is no reliable or meaningful data or evidence to suggest that the Measles vaccine harms people less than actual Measles itself.
This kind of position from people in authority position in the medical services is frankly disgusting.
What we need more than ever is objective research and good information. Unfortunately Big Pharma own and control the medical industry and have massive hold and control of individuals in the industry whose jobs are at risk if they openly oppose the agendas.
It is all totally corrupt and profiteering has taken the driving seat rather than any desire to make people healthier.
Realist are you not answering my question on stand alone measles vaccines because you have no evidence to discredit it?
Realist, did you have children?
I was wondering how you would feel if your young child was refused life saving admittance to hospital because you had refused to have him/her vaccinated against childhood diseases.
How would you feel if your toddler died because of you?
Obviously in a Childrenâs Hospital the children there are poorly and very vulnerable.
These are the very ones who are the most likely to develop serious complications if they contract measles.
I think heâs gone to do a bit more googling, Annie. 
Oh I see! Well it could be a while before we see an answer then!
How would you feel if your toddler was reduced to a cabbage because YOU forced a Measles vaccine on them?
How would you feel if your toddler got Guillian Barre Syndrome because YOU made them have a Flu shot?
How would you feel if your toddler died, just because YOU made them have a vaccine?
This kind of emotional rhetoric holds no sway at all in a reasoned debate.
What question exactly?
If itâs about whether the single vaccine is safe or not Iâd say there is no evidence just like the MMR.
So there is no evidence that the single measles shot is dangerous?
Realist could you explain why you have such a personal objection to pharmaceutical companies? I ask because I can only think of 3 reasons :-
- Somebody close to you has suffered a bad reaction to a medicine.
If that is the case then it is a shame, but lots of people have problems that may make them react differently to the majorityâŠand they canât produce vaccines for each individual!
- Because you object to the money Pharmaceutical companies make.
If this is the problem then i suggest that you do more research into just how many billions are invested into finding new medicines & testing their safety. Lots of people are alive today, who would have died if they hadnât!
3) Because you are so into natural cures that you want everybody to follow your example.
In this case I would suggest you attend a debating society, rather than a forum where some vulnerable people may be influenced by what you read on the internet. Health is a personal topic that people discuss with their doctors & then make their own choice on treatment.
Pharmaceutical medicines were accepted because they work better that many natural ones ( otherwise nobody would have wanted them), so which you use is a personal choice based on your personal requirements.
Why canât you accept that and allow people to make their own choice?
Because they are clearly corrupt and have gained far to much global power in our world. Our health is being put at risk. It is only a matter of time before they are able to make the government mandate vaccinations. This must be vigorously opposed imho.
Big Pharma potions and pill and vaccines DO NOT work better that Natureâs own products.
Why do you make such ridiculous statements? No-one is stopping anyone from making their own choices. The truth is YOU simply can not bear debate about health, vaccines and pharma remedies. Why is that? Itâs just simple debate and discussion. If it irks you so much then stay out of such threads. Play the ball not the man. If you can . . . .