Vapours on Prescription

This is the way I look at it.

Patient smokes 20 cigs a day, taking in all that tar, carbon monoxide and all the other nasty stuff that greatly increases his risk of developing lots of health problems, some very serious.

NHS could advise he should Quit Smoking but leave him to him get on with it in his own way.
If Patient does not change smoking habits, NHS (our tax money) will end up paying the Bill to deal with all the extra health conditions that develop - which can cost hundreds of thousands for the surgery and all the different drugs and therapies.

Or
NHS could offer more encouragement and provide a Quit Smoking Service, which includes prescriptions for Quit Smoking aids, such as prescriptions for a course of tablets, like Champix, to help you quit (which they already do) or try offering prescriptions to introduce people to the cheaper alternative of vaping. This has two benefits - it gets them onto a Quit Smoking programme to gradually reduce nicotine content on a planned programme to help them manage cravings after coming off cigarettes.
If they donā€™t succeed in losing the craving for nicotine, at least the programme has introduced them to a less damaging form of nicotine and a much cheaper form of it, if they continue buying their own vape after their prescriptions stop.

Covering the cost of 3 months of either of these things is a drop in the ocean to the NHS compared to the money they will save for every person they manage to wean off smoking tobacco.

Thereā€™s bound to be some who donā€™t manage to quit first time round but I donā€™t think the NHS will be continuing to prescribe vaping stuff to a patient indefinitely - the focus will be on trying to help them manage cravings while coming off tobacco.

Some years ago, I used to know someone who had respiratory problems and was getting nicotine patches on NHS free prescriptions, to wean him off cigarettes.
He started off with good intentions but slid back to cigs after a few days - after that, he used the patches to manage his cravings when he had no money to buy cigarettes but carried on smoking when he had money to buy cigarettes!
He didnā€™t get away with it for long - the GP would only prescribe the patches while he was on the Quit Smoking programme.

I gave up smoking the ā€œcold Turkeyā€ way, after many years of trying and lots of failed attempts that lasted a few weeks or a few months. I think for some people, it just takes a day when suddenly you find your mind set is ready to tackle it - it took me decades to get to that stage, so I do not begrudge the NHS spending a bit of dosh in trying to help people get to the quitting stage sooner, especially if it saves peopleā€™s health and our tax money in the long run.

Not sure that the financial costs to the NHS are as clear cut as that Boot. Youā€™re not taking into account the pension that wonā€™t be paid out to someone who died young, plus other taxes that the gov gets upon death etc. If it was as simple as you suggest, the gov would have either banned smoking already or made the cost of a packet Ā£1000000.

FYI - alas, champix has been withdrawn due to some concerns about some of the drugs within it. You can Google this for yourself, but I know about it being no longer available due to recent personal experience. Pity, 'cos it really does help!!

Yes, I appreciate the financial costs arenā€™t as clear cut as that - it was just a broad hypothetical example - but the Health authorities often release documents indicating the overall costs of treating smoking-related health issues are very high, which is one of the reasons why they have funded Quit Smoking programmes before.

I wasnā€™t aware that Champix had been withdrawn - I just remember it being offered to me once when I still smoked but I didnā€™t accept it. Every time I quit, I thought I could ā€œgo it aloneā€ but then relapsed - until the last time 5 years ago.

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The health authorities will do what it can to reduce the number of smokers, including highlighting the cost those health related issues, as you rightly point out.

Governments wonā€™t publish the figures of income that mitigate this cost, for somewhat obvious reasons!!! But it seems reasonable to assume that the books pretty much balance, and itā€™s nice for our politicians to be able to point the finger blame at someone else for a change, even though theyā€™re probably well.aware that thereā€™s a financial surplus.

As you indulge in neither disgusting habit, you donā€™t really need to see the point.

I guess you mean the tobacco tax income? Good point! Iā€™d forgotten about that!

Currently vaping products are just taxed at 20% VAT, I think?
Last I heard, the EU were planning to tax vaping liquids at the same rate as tobacco - I donā€™t know if theyā€™ve applied that tax yet.

Call me cynical but Iā€™ve just had a thought - maybe our Govt will wait until after this push to get most of the remaining smokers switched over from harmful cigs to less harmful vaping, then theyā€™ll slap the extra tax on vaping to make up for the loss of tobacco tax!

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Not just tobacco tax Boot .

Other income (sorry if Iā€™m repeating myself; we appear to have a couple of smoking related threads on here at present and I canā€™t recallā€¦).

Potential savings by not forking out for pensions.
Early inheritance tax.
Savings in long term care costs
etc etc.

As said, MPs wonā€™t divulge what the overall (estimated) finances are involving smokers, but thereā€™s little doubt that itā€™ll be in some restricted files somewhere!

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When it comes down to we all can handle it differently. Husband gave up immediately after a neighbour of just 40 years of age keeled over and diedā€¦
He knew he smoked the same tobacco as himself and also he himself was around 40 years of ageā€¦HGV Driver so smoking was very normalā€¦ he hd become slightly inclined to be chesty as well
He never actually had any problems and no moans, nothing at allā€¦
Now for me it was a long haul and although I got there in the end about early 2000, the regrets of not just doing it sooner remain with me.
We both did it without any outside help. Daughter managed it quite easily her Husband last I knew he was still vaporing.not sure how you spell thatā€¦he has tried all available patches and pills but went back to tobacco until the vapors became popularā€¦
None of us done it for financial reasons just purely for health.
Can be so so hard for some and people can really struggle with itā€¦ I do believe it to be an addiction that is not always the same for all.
We are all individuals and look to our brains as the source for our good bad and ugly sometimes waysā€¦
100% cannot agree with Vapors on the NHS.

Surely we should also consider where the blame lies hereā€¦

Have not looked up anything about Vapors and I know the news was not that long ago saying that it is not Healthy for people but still notas bad as tobacco smoking. ā€¦ just now I see there is a dedicated store in Poitierā€™sā€¦and an online shopā€¦guess that would much the same as in the UK.

Our local village has 1 dedicated vape shop and a general store that sells vaping products. We buy our vaping supplies on-line from a company based in South Wales.

Vapours was an infliction one.