What do you mean by the reference to Tower Hamlets?
There will/ cannot be anything positive that comes out of this, except Nazi Don’s conviction of crimes against humanity. The EU and Great Britain are wisely sitting this one out, the idiot in the Oval Office and Corporate America will be the cause of WWIII, and both should pay severely.
2 Likes
So you disparage our own Royal Marines?
1 Like
Have we got any left. Our ship sent to Cyprus left Gib today, after spending 3 days in the channel, training the crew how to use it.
The French General Yakovleff gave an excellent point by point summary of why Trump should not get help - particularly not get help from NATO.
For NATO to get involved it would be with the whole Trump war on Iran. And NATO is not set up, has no mandate to, support one country attacking another country. NATO is a defensive entity.
Worse, for NATO to get involved it would need to be in control of everything. It would be disastrous for there to be two chains of command - a US one and a NATO one. The US is part of NATO and the US military would need to be part of a NATO mission, and report into NATO leaders, and to follow NATO operational decisions. (It is clear Trump has zero understanding of these issues).
On top of all that, NATO nor any other country is not going to get involved when the operational objectives and the end point are not clearly set out. Otherwise anyone getting involved will be unable to make operational decisions and risk getting stuck in an endless war. Some countries have actually learnt from Iraq and Afghanistan. No country is going to risk the lives of its own people on involvement without clarity of purpose.
Then there is the idea that NATO or European forces simply operate to keep Hormuz open while the US does its thing elsewhere. This is a bad idea as it is Trump getting other countries to be part of a political mission more than a military mission - it shares the guilt, it dilutes Trump’s responsibility for this war. And worse, it seems unlikely that a “straights only mission” can be kept that way and that other countries can’t / won’t be drawn into the wider conflict.
Then there is the issue of trust in Trump. He has a past record, near perfect, of letting down friends and allies. Letting them take the blame, deciding to not support them without warning. Trump has already set his stall of being an unreliable friend, a traitorous ally. If you can’t trust Trump why on earth would you put yourself in a position of great risk?
But Yakovleff’s best summary of the situation he says he learnt from the US military themselves. It is that in wars you do not reinforce failure, you move on and find another approach. And thus far Trump’s war on Iran is a failure.
1 Like
We shouldn’t be in a position where we have to send a ship to Cyprus or wherever because of an illegal war started by Mr T at the bidding of Netanyahu. The truth has been exposed by Mr T’s own administration. Iran is no threat to the West, just to Israel and why would Americans want their best “creme de la creme” to be sent to support an illegal war effort to support a country that is nothing to do with them? Israel is not a member of NATO and Iran is not a threat to NATO countries other than in the spin designed to create a false panic about weapons of mass destruction which do not exist.
3 Likes
Just as well folk did not have the same negative, defeatist views in the last war. Hitler intention was to set up sex-slave camps consisting of baby-bloomers for his officers use, to repopulate Eastern Europe. Even having the sites mapped out.
Iran not a threat to Nato, if it still exists. Get real, they very much are a threat.
1 Like
I’m not sure where you read that nugget of non history or how it’s relevant.
Iran is a threat to Israel, Israel is not in NATO. Mr T is propping up Netanyahu because as Joe said there is a powerful lobby propping up Mr T who wants him to do their bidding. This is not me saying this, this is one of Mr T’s senior Administration putting it in writing. So it’s from the horse’s mouth again.
The cat is out of the bag and you can do your best to pretend otherwise or to keep deflecting to WWII whenever it makes you feel more comfortable than discussing the here and now.
4 Likes
It is clear that the cowardly French General or any other NATO country, like the EU some how think their insignificant entity, can tell others what they can or can’t do. If that French general had the intelligence of a private, would know American military do not have to take commands from foreign military. (It is clear that the EU and NATO has zero understanding of these laws)
This is true if you don’t Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo. None of which were part of NATO.
The French General some how thinks he or some other European General would have the knowledge or experience to be put in charge of what the United States of America in the region. The United States has three Fleets in the region. No one in Europe has experience in commanding such a large force.
And again, Trump was wanting to see if they wanted to escort their tankers through the straight. It as openly admitting they couldn’t even handle such a small mission for themselves.
And again, Trump told NATO to up their spending on NATO. As now and as then, claimed that Trump was being mean but when Ukraine started the laughing joke of Europe couldn’t help defend a European country because their incompetence couldn’t quickly support Ukraine I a defense mode. But are supporting Ukraine from over 2000 km to the rear. One think the French Generals are very well trained in are terms of surrender.
1 Like
Did you know there are British troops in 6 countries, 7 counting Cyprus in that area?
Now.
Please provide any information that you have that support the “illegal war” or “nothing to do with them”?
What? Israel is not part of NATO? I guess Iran is not part of NATO too?
Nothing of importance, what kind of facts to help support your opinion? Or deflecting?
1 Like
Robin NATO countries are not responsible for defending a non NATO member. It’s their choice whether they choose to engage in an illegal war that has nothing to do with a NATO country being threatened.
Your administration is currently being questioned on this by Senators. They asked whether Mr T was aware of the risk of closure of strait of Hormuz, he has said he wasn’t. So the question is why was he not told of such a risk? It’s astonishing that “scenario planning” as described by Mr Bessent recently did not include such an obvious risk.
You can’t make this up, the CIA chief and others are saying that it was known that Hormuz was the Achilles heel of this campaign yet Mr T has said he didn’t know. What’s going on?
One thing for sure, you must wear larger blinkers than Al-Fayeds Cart horse when it was stabled here.
Plus, you could read “Operation Sealion” by Leo Mckinsty, if you want a remarkable insight into what a country can achieve when under threat. Easy reading.
Then if you had any real intersest in the state of NATO, you could have watched “Europe on the Edge” Katy Aatya part 3, last night, and learnt something.
Thank you for the suggestions, but facts are facts.
We have a President who is saying that he didn’t know the Strait of Hormuz would end up blocked and his advisers and administration saying that they told him it would be.
Where’s the historic precedent for that scenario?
1 Like
BS, of course he knew down to the last mine design. Iran is an evil entity that affects us all and has every intention of continuing, along with its mates. It needs to be nipped in the bud now, and Trump must be the man to do it. Sod Starmer the wimp and illegal wars as Iran is a complete toxic illegal entity that follows no rules. A sick regime that infilitrates, kills and maims at will and needs wiping off the face of the earth.
1 Like
So you are admitting he is publicly lying?
1 Like
You are mixed up with “No I did not have sex with that woman”. I’d like to see the final picture and the damage we’ve caused to our standing in the world…
Have fun reading- Greenland crisis - Wikipedia - unless you think ‘annex’ means a nice tea party and everyone in Greenland and Denmark would be happy with the occupation. Cos news to you…they don’r want to be American.
Trump has talked about invading Greenland. I am not making this up?
2 Likes
When will the US pay us for the US air bases in European soil?
They have just placed them here, rent-free and expect us to go to war with them.
Get the bases out, and yes dismantle NATO and replace it with a new body with Canada, Australia, Europe etc. I think we can look after ourselves. The US had those bases for their proxy war with Russia, but given Trump is pally pally with his friend Putin, I don’t think we need them here anymore?
But apparently our forces are weak and useless, that we ‘can’t defend ourselves’ and need the US support…but then Trump needs our support for his war. Which is it?
Are we weak and useless and sponging off the US, or do we have good forces which are needed for this war, and thus means we could actually defend ourselves and not need the US? Pick a side.
2 Likes
No you don’t and quit the condescending sarcasm … if it’s because I said ‘I’m sure there’d be a few street parties if Trump had been assasinated’ … I suggest you read my post properly.
Where did I say I personally would be at a street party.
Though I am sure some would.
Does this mean anyone who has said they’re rather glad that Khomeini is dead or supports assasination of Iranans also supports political violence?
Trump incites enough violence himself … in fact he incites ordinary unarmed citizens to get out into the street and rebel.
And not just in Iran, where they’re getting bombed for their trouble.
2 Likes