what a very patronizing post regarding a serious discussion.
Let’s inject a little logic into this shall we Wrinkly 
those of us who do not believe in the ‘almighty’ are not going to be frightened by the prospect of meeting him are they because for us he doesn’t exist .
On the contrary, if like you I allowed fantasy to overcome logic and believed in gods and spirits I would be very afraid to die.
I am happy to say death holds no fear for me and while one of the living I can walk anywhere without fear :-).
I have spent a day in what is supposedly one of the most haunted houses in the country and never turned a hair (Little Dean Hall a fascinating place).
I walk every night past the village graveyard full of sleeping people with no fear.
I know the only thing I have to fear is my own mind and imagination.
What a meagre contribution to a serious discussion.
These arnt just “made up” stories Meg,they are proper real life experiences that people are having ,not in their imaginations !!
Why do you feel it necessary to try and diminish these experiences by saying things like "I guess they add to that sense of feeling “alive”…I would think nothing could be further from the truth really.
Did I say your experiences were ‘made up’ Aysa, ‘made up’ to me denotes consciously constructing a story I have never said that is what happens to the people here . I also demonstrated in an earlier posts how easy it is for the mind to play games and lead a person to believe things to be real when they are not.
What you see as ‘diminishing’ I see it as applying logic Aysa :-).
I said ’ added to the feeling of being alive’ because that is what fear does , it causes a rush of adrenaline and that heightens our senses making us feel more alive.
Have you never read a scary book or seen a scary film and felt that heightened awareness, it is nature’s way of preparing us for fight or flight.
I am not in a position to prove afterlife other than my experiences, which I can relate many but as you say Aysa, only for others to vilify me. so unless anyone was with me at the time I can’t prove a thing.
The same as Science can’t prove there is not, of course unless you know about quantum physics, where they believe it can prove there is life after death, but only to those who know QP which is above me.
But even then there are those that still diminish these ideas.
As you can see I have been scoffed at quite a lot but I will not change my beliefs.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/is-there-an-afterlife-the-science-of-biocentrism-can-prove-there-is-claims-professor-robert-lanza-8942558.html
I have not, and do not scoff at those beliefs, but I am genuinely interested in an answer to the question that has been put to you now several times. Still waiting for that.
I did give my answer Orangatan, but you seem to want to make an issue of it.
My answer was because I think it is so, but like I have just said no one can prove otherwise.
Not making an issue of it, but still wondering. So your answer is that you think it is so but you don’t have any reason to give for WHY you think it is so? My question was genuinely seeking a REASON for your thinking it is so. And no, I am not looking for proof of anything. I just found your initial suggestion that sceptics were extremely fearful of death rather bizarre, so I was looking for your reasoning behind it. I’ll take it as a hunch, then?
I thought this link Here sort of explained that most are fearful of death, lets be honest none of us wants to go, not even me.
I think the quantum Physics professor is probably not easy to understand, but he seems to think there is no death, just a process we go through, but don’t know whats on the other side.
I’m sure very few of us “want to go” but that is nowhere near the same as being afraid to go. I’d prefer to stay alive (as long as I still had my facilities) but the idea of death holds no fear whatever.
And it still gives zero credence to the suggestion that sceptics are somehow more fearful of death…I guess I’ll never know where that came from. It feels a bit like a child asking its parent ‘why?’ and being told ‘because I said so’.
Sorry, Wrinkly, I still don’t understand but forget it for now. I can live in ignorance!
Wrinky you are the one who keeps raising the issue of fear of death not the skeptics, doesn’t that tell you something.
It is my belief that if someone who had experienced a supernatural event would pass a lie detector test, because it would appear very real to that person, or persons.
In the same way that a mirage or a hallucination appears real. More than one person can also experience the same event in the same way that ‘mass hysteria’ can take over a whole group of people. Perfectly demonstrated by illusionists such as ‘Dynamo’ who claimed to levitate the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Rio. Or David Copperfields illusion of making the ‘Statue of Liberty’ disappear. How could Hypnotism take place if it wasn’t possible to ‘Fool the Senses’ every person in the audience of the illusionists would most certainly have passed a Lie detector test; but we all accept that these were illusions showing how easy it is to alter ones perception of an event. In my opinion there is sufficient evidence out there to provide explanations to every supernatural event. And if you are true to yourself, you know it too. But I still enjoy a spooky story, and each spooky story will remain plausible in the mind of the believer.
Anyone see the science programme on telly tonight called “Which Universe are we in?” The Scientists were discussing multi-universes. It seems notion, once dismissed as fantasy, is now “an idea at the cutting edge of science.”
Same thoughts here Mups - forever changing views :-p
My views have never changed because I ‘experienced’ them
I didn’t but I can see that would be a credible notion I always wondered what happens if we take different decisions.
The problem I have with this supernatural ‘stuff’ (based on my own experiences) is this …
I lived alone for many years and if I watched a spooky horror film I would invariably start seeing ghosts all over the bloody place. Now what was that all about? Had I become attuned to my native spiritualist tendencies by watching said film(s), or, was it my imagination?
I think you can scare yourself into seeing things that is true but in many cases where the person is not scared something else has to be going on. My experience neither of us were even remotely nervous we were just concerned to get the job done and get home.
Horror films never bothered me, the most frightening one I ever saw was the Exorcist and I think that was because it had to do with the mind, the soul if you like, when things go haywire in the mind it can be really a terrifying experience for anyone. My older brother and me were mainly raised by our country grandmother and she used to tell us ghost stories at bedtime, today she probably would be locked up for that, but I’m glad she did because it rendered me immune to horror films, I find them comical most of the time now.
On the other hand my youngest brother, who never spent any time with the grandmother, is terrified of any horror film, even today and he’s 58! So there is proof that it’s what you experience when you are very young will effect you later on, even into old age.