What protocol are you referring to?
@Dextrous63 ,. Ah, l see, 
The avoid crowded spaces ,
Avoid approaching people who aren’t wearing mask,
Avoid approaching people without wearing a mask yourself,
Avoid people’ generally, protocol ?
Boris lost his job recently for breaching this ?? 
@Donkeyman, enforcable restrictions were removed as of 27th Jan 2022 with masks and proximitly restrictions downgraded to suggestions.
Boris lost his job because he repeatedly lied about things, including breaking his own laws within Downing Street.
@Dextrous63 , That’s why l used the word ‘protocol’ ?
The advice given by the protocol is still valid??
It appears that people are ignoring the advice! 
Masks are not required anywhere in NSW except on public transport but as I observed elsewhere it seems to be largely ignored even there.
However I visited the Nan Tien Temple where they strictly enforced mask wearing in their shrines but have deleted the rule about not wearing shoes. I thought it an odd adjustment of the rules. Though you do still see people wearing masks in just about all settings.
It is up to individual organisations to enforce their own rules (eg at the deli counter in the supermarkets all the staff wear masks)
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We don’t know how many died in these countries because they don’t record health statistics accurately.
I can’t prove I had mild covid in 2020 as they didn’t have the tests then, but I can say that after the strange illness with unusual symptoms, I had a number of distressing knock on effects that have taken two years to resolve. The muscle issues were the most debilitating. I still have some problems with my wrist tendons. Just not as strong as before. It was like pinging a guitar string, but it’s in your muscle or tendon. Not being able to walk down the stairs (hobbling). Horrible exhaustion with muscle problems, with awful skin problems on my feet, even urinary urgency (thankfully that was short term) and a nasty condition on my eyelid with swelling, months being unable to complete basic tasks - hoovering, laundry, etc. It was like having little fishing hooks in my muscles. But I am one of the lucky ones. 4 people on our street died. I knew 2 fairly well. I know so many who lost family and friends.
So if it was a con - it was a pretty convincing one!
@AnnieS , You seem to have missed my point Annie, like so many others
on this thread ?
I am not saying there was NO covid,( there definitely was)
What l am saying IS, That covid turned out to be a pussy cat and
not a tiger ?
Big Pharma cashed in on this big time !!
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That sounds suspiciously like Trumpspeak to me.
This is from the Lancet:
As of May 31, 2022, there were 6·9 million reported deaths and 17·2 million estimated deaths from COVID-19, as reported by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME; throughout the report, we rely on IHME estimates of infections and deaths; note that the IHME gives an estimated range, and we refer to the mean estimate). This staggering death toll is both a profound tragedy and a massive global failure at multiple levels. Too many governments have failed to adhere to basic norms of institutional rationality and transparency, too many people—often influenced by misinformation—have disrespected and protested against basic public health precautions, and the world’s major powers have failed to collaborate to control the pandemic.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)01585-9/fulltext
It turned out ok because there was a worldwide effort to contain it and then vaccinate. We don’t have stats of many poor countries but far more people died than officially reported, and many who lived have long term conditions as a result. It’s not just about death but the chronic effects of this disease and the amount of sick leave people have had to take.
I am just one person and it’s messed up the last two years for me. I can’t do as much as I used to pre-covid. Can’t exercise as much, still have to ration activity, am more prone to injury. It has improved (slowly) but I still have weeks where I don’t feel so good. Doctors are flummoxed as blood tests all good. It’s no longer like climbing a mountain getting through the day but it’s been a tough period. Pre Covid I was a super active person with energy to do everything. Suddenly back in 2020 trying to trim the hedge meant that I’d be in pain & wiped out for days. I can’t explain the feelings - it’s like fibromyalgia.
So multiply that by whatever number of people who may be feeling the same or much worse. There’s an overall reduction in health in the whole country and a myriad of chronic problems doctors have never had to face or understand. A colleague’s son is really sick with neurological problems. Doctors are scratching their heads to understand. Productivity in the economy is reduced.
So this is happening all over the world & much of it is hidden suffering. A friend in the US - her dad is now in a hospice after having severe covid back in December. The whole family were unvaccinated and suffered greatly when they were finally infected. It’s changed their lives.
Yes Covid is passing thank goodness but it would have been far worse without the global effort. So you can say oh it was all nothing, but that’s because we survived it.
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How many times have I seen that word [estimated] associated with Covid…
Donkeyman is absolutely right, it has been the biggest con the world has ever seen, even bigger than the global warming con.
Yes there has been a pandemic bigger than usual…Was it man made? Who knows!
Each winter prior to covid our local hospital is overflowing with many elderly (and the odd young person) there are many deaths. Usually from pneumonia even though they were admitted with flu or breathing difficulties…Exactly the main reason why people with covid expired.
Since there are no precise figures, for obvious reasons, what other term ought to be applied?
Amazing how people report the after effects of having the covid vaccines are shouted down and called conspiracy theorists because they can’t prove it, or that it could be associated with something else. But people who report the after effects of covid (long covid) are always believed and taken seriously…Mrs Fox and I thought we would die when we had covid, probably more to do with the constant hype on the news than anything covid was doing to us (it was classed as a life sentence). Well we didn’t die, and we didn’t have the vaccines either. And I’m happy to report we are both as fit as fiddles now with no lasting effects whatsoever.
OGF I’m not going to have the conversation about the link between the deterioration of your heart health so soon after Covid because we have already discussed that at length. But it’s a perfect example of what I just said. I had a very bad reaction to the vaccine myself and I’ve also discussed that here.
The new Moderna bivalent booster will be avoided by me as I’ve heard that has adverse reactions. I’ve had no problems with Pfizer.
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@Psmith. Yeah, the key word though is “estimated” ??
Even the “actual” deaths were “estimates” due to the corpses having had
serious pre-existing conditions, so no cause of death could be proved ??
They now put the two together in order to justify all the expenditure !
Who will admit to making such a large misjudgement after all ??
Strange how the naysayers also want to use the same set of figures to argue their own point. Heck, you even used the estimate to calculate a percentage.
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Most flu deaths are also of people with pre-existing conditions. But they are still included in flu mortality statistics because if that person did not contract flu it is highly unlikely they would have died at that point in time.
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I was sure you reported Mrs Fox having the vaccine, perhaps I am mistaken.
No Bruce, neither of us had the vaccines. Mrs Fox did have the flu vaccine.
Just to clarify about my heart health…I had a heart attack back in 2004.
I recovered from that one fairly well and was back running half marathons four years later in 2008.
I had my second heart attack in 2014.
Although I did make a good recovery, Mrs Fox and my daughter banned me from running any more events, but I did continue running for pleasure, up to 8 miles. The second heart attack had taken it’s toll and times were poor, even over short distances.
By 2019 I knew something was wrong, but it wasn’t until July 2021 that I could no longer run and sought the help of a specialist. It was then that they discovered the scar tissue from my previous heart attacks had affected the electrical system in my heart causing it to go into VF (ventricle fibrillation) Following the diagnosis in July, we both caught Covid in late August that year.
I’m happy to report that since recovering from covid I have progressed with walking and more recently running over short distances.
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That must have been it
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