long time coming…Corrupt Boris next!
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Certainly looks like it, Starmer will be breathing a sigh of relief now that the heat is off
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@ Vlad, Well brexits f—ked now, theres only remainers left to appoint
surely ??
Expect Starmer to do another U turn !!
Donkeyman ! 
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You can’t bar MPs who didn’t support Brexit from ever being appointed to governmental positions. That is a totally frightening thought. 
@Harbal ,. Cant do what??
Didnt they all sign an undertaking to follow government policy regarding
brexit Harbie. ??
Can we trust a politicians promises ??
Donkeyman! 
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I don’t know what that refers to. The Brexit vote was an event that came and went, and an outcome was decided. Brexit is not the only issue the government has to deal with, there’s still all the usual stuff involved with running the country. I don’t object to none Brexit supporters being members of the government if they are up to the job, and I suspect a significant number of people feel the same. Don’t our views count anymore?
@Harbal , when Boris got his landslide Harbie, All tory mps had to sign an
undertaking to follow brexit policy, this eas done because so many tory
mps were remainers, so in order to ensure the mandate that Boris had just
been given by the voters to execute brexit was followed they had to sign
an undertaking that they would support that policy !!
If they didnt sign, yhen l suppose they would have been evicted from the
party ??
I expect as you never read or listen to news you probably missed all the crap
going on when Theresa May was PM ??
Donkeyman!
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Not only that, I missed all the crap before and after.
I just think keeping politicians out of the government for those sorts of reasons is what you would expect in places like Russia, not here.
More U turns than a bloody plumber.
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U turns versus lies, only one way to sort it out “FIGHT”. 
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Well said The Sun:
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I don’t believe a word that snidey creep says.
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I wish I had a pound for every politician you could say that about, but I grant you, Starmer is probably worth £2.50 in that respect.
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We need to trust the last gasp. 
Hah. I’ll even up you 50p. 
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The woman told the Labour leader: "Can I just say that? I don’t know how you’ve got the guts to come to this city after you have been interviewed and doing columns for the Sun newspaper, after the way we as a city, the Hillsborough victims were abused by that paper, and you’ve come here.
"Secondly, you lied to us about uniting the party. I’m still a Labour Party member, and you’ve expelled and witch-hunted in the most vicious way I’ve ever seen in my lifetime, and I’ve been a member of the Labour Party for a long, long time.
"You have absolutely said you had ten pledges, you are going to carry on the Corbyn legacy and ever since you’ve done nothing, but distance yourself from the ideas which tens of thousands of people join the Labour Party to support.
“All You’ve done this feed into the Tory ideology of not supporting strikes and of carrying on with the privatisation of our health care.”
Blimey! Don’t hold back! 
She was obviously one of the Left-Wing Activists who supported Corbyn.
More from that article :
It comes after the Labour leader indicated a retreat from a pledge he made when he was running for the party’s leadership in 2019 to support “common ownership of rail, mail, energy and water”.
Sir Keir was challenged about his view on nationalising utilities on Monday after shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves earlier said the policy was not compatible with the party’s new “fiscal rules” to control public spending.
He told reporters in Liverpool: "I take a pragmatic approach rather than an ideological one, I agree with what Rachel Reeves said this morning.
“Having come through the pandemic, it’s very important we have very, very clear priorities and that’s why we’ve set out fiscal rules already as an opposition.”
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I must admit, although I would love to see some of our essential utility services re-nationalised, it would be a very expensive undertaking to buy them all back again.
I agree with Keir Starter’s decision not to make this a priority at present - I don’t see how the Treasury could afford to do it within the next term of government, with so many other priority claims on the public purse.
I watched Starmer’s speech at the Liverpool conference and was pleasantly surprised by some of what he said he plans to do. He seems to be trying to move the Party a bit more towards the centre.
It made a pleasant change to hear Starmer actually outlining what his policies were - he usually spends too much time criticising the opposition’s policies and I haven’t often heard him say what he would do instead.
Personally, I’m glad to see he isn’t sticking to Corbyn’s agenda - I don’t think Labour would win an election with some of Corbyn’s more extreme Socialist policies.
@Boot , “it would be an expensive undertaking to buy them back again”
Why would it be ??
The management companies only have control for a limited time, l think
about ten years at a time ??
We just wait till the contract lapses then take them back ?
I think that may be the case for Railways but I’m not sure about the rest.
What about all the people who bought shares - won’t the Govt have to buy out their shareholdings, based on somewhere between the book value and the current valuation?
I haven’t looked into it in great detail but I seem to recall discussions a few years ago about re-nationalising Water, energy and Mail costing at least £50 billion - and that’s assuming shareholders were only compensated for the amount they had invested and not a buy-back at market value - I expect there would be lots of challenges to that.
@Boot , Not sure about that, but l think they bought shares in the management
company, and so the company would bear any responsibilty there is for
their shares?
Buying shares carries risks so no guarantees are given usually !!
So, hard shyte if things go tits up!!