Starmer is having a bad time

In the olden days Ruislip was posh, not so much now. Harefield is still oldy worldy but I am betting they are trying to develop in the flood plain there. They are trying to build on flood plains all over the country, spreading the risk to surrounding areas.

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Well that question from February seems to have been answered.

Also from Feb on this thread and probably a bit harsh (surely not quite without any sort of steering) but seems to sums up why Starmer had no choice but to agree to step down.

Nope, seems that Andy Burnham is now a shoe in. Also seems that we get to wait until September to find out what Burnham is going to do different.

Wes seems to have gone quiet

Wes may well be considering how he shot his bolt too early … and wondering how he can wangle a ministerial role under Burnham.
But this raises a key issue of all the PM changes over recent years. Those changes also mean cabinet changes. I was just reading an interesting article about this:
ā€œAnd at the helm of the resulting team of novices will be an inexperienced leader – counselled by a new kitchen cabinet of advisers, mostly new to the workings of the centre of British power.ā€
This is a bigger problem than it may seem (and reading the above it looks like the recipe for a sh*t show). Ministerial roles can take many months, maybe years to fully grasp and for the incumbent to become truly knowledgeable. Some ministerial roles are for areas that require long term planning - cycling through ministers almost certainly delivers short-termism. Not what any country needs.
I blame the egos of politicians for thinking they have the answer and the relentless media for hounding people out of roles after months. (Exception - Chris Grayling should have been hounded out of every role he was given within hours.)

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If he doesn’t do it, who will?

ā€˜Keir’ crap name for a prime minister anyway.

At least Starmer was given that name at birth, rather adopt a dumb ass name like Boris.
But you of course know the history of James Keir Hardie, the founder of the Labour party. Did you know that Hardie stepped down from his role as leader of the party and spent his final years campaigning for votes for women, Indian independence and to stop WW1. That places Keir up there as a very fine name.

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Votes for women, and stop WW1 ? He didn’t stop world war one, and look at all the trouble he caused by giving women the vote… :009:

What a shame he didn’t live up to that name - I am sure the original Keir would have been appalled at the way the Labour party has turned out. The current bunch have forgotten their roots and the reason the party was formed

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Not just the politicians, the voter base also, they have slowly been educated to expect champagne!! for the past 35 years or so IMO.

Anyway, silver linings and all that, at least Keir won’t have to communicate with certain folks anymore :icon_wink:

There seems to be a real dislike of Starmer across the country. For me Starmer proved to be disappointing with woeful record of reversals of decisions. But not enough to move him to the ā€œI hate himā€ category. I’m curious as to what others identified that is worth hating him … surely more than Starmer being constantly damned by the media.

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I don’t think it is ā€œhateā€ as such, more a total lack of respect due to his actions (or lack thereof) and his apparent lack of concern for the people of this country

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
In what way did it become apparent that Starmer lacked such a concern? Was it specific policies and decisions, or abrupt changes to them, or was it more how he communicated?

You’re feeling devilishly brave today :rofl:

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I think his lack of concern showed just a couple of weeks into his premiership - when he stopped the WFA, something not mentioned in his campaign or the Labour manifesto, from then on almost everything he did seemed geared to ko-towing to the unions no matter what affect it had on the general public, making it hard for small businesses to continue - a local glass making company with roots going back to the 18th century has closed as have many small shops and pubs. I think what really showed his lack of concern was his initial opposition to an enquiry into the grooming gangs

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I can’t help thinking he might still prove to be the best of a bad bunch.
I may be in the minority here but simply dislike the way Burnham has gone about it.
We know politicians backstab each other but this time has reached a new low.
Are the electorate supposed to meekly accept and like a bloke who wasn’t even a MP last week but may become PM within a month?
It all seems very manipulative and engineered.

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Unfortunately we have no choice - unless some Labour MPs grow a backbone and stand against him - even then the majority will probably vote for him because they think he has the popular vote.

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Don’t forget Morti a few months ago he applied to be the Labour candidate in a by election caused in the usual way after the MP had died.

He was chose locally by the Labour Branch but was then stopped by Starmer in the next step, the Central Office.

It is just Karma.

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Keir Starmer,s dad was a tool maker, just look at this tool he made. Must have used defective equipment :rofl:

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