Serious problems with flu shot safety and effectiveness

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I don’t have a problem with the NHS, without them I would either be dead or annoying folk in the local Tesco while rolling over their feet in my wheelchair…
I believe that local GP’s and nurses have the best of intentions towards patients, but time restraints, budgets and rules somewhat stifle their good intentions.

I read all of Realists posts, and I gather information from other sources and I talk to friends and relatives, before I decide that its too risky to take a particular medication. Take Statins for example: I was prescribed them by my doctor, but I know many people who have suffered side effects from them. Side effects that would see the end to my active life. Once you lose your mobility you enter onto the slippery slope of deterioration and ill health. Staying alive is one thing, but also the quality of life must be considered.

Many years ago I was administered the flu vaccine and developed the worst case of flu I’ve had to this day. I don’t know the in’s and out’s but now I refuse to have the jab, same with Statins. I don’t blame the doctors, they are just doing their job and following their carefully laid out procedures, but I have spoken to some doctors off the record and they agree with Realist, and my reasons for not taking Statins, but it would cost them their job to take it upon themselves to disagree with the NHS…

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Well if people don’t have a jab that makes contracting and/or dying of flu more likely.

NB The Spanish flu pandemic killed between 50 and 100 million people worldwide. Frequent flu pandemics were the reason behind the development of the flu vaccine.

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I wouldn’t take statins if they were prescribed either. I’ve seen people deteriorate when on them.

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I can see the logic behind the flu vaccine Annie, but I think we are dealing with a different animal from Polio and Mumps etc which incidentally I do agree with…:wink:

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That’s a ridiculous sweeping statement Annie, again, born of emotional frustration I’m sure.

I’ve never slated ALL vaccines nor have I slated conventional meds.

Very specifically, at this point in time my position is thus:

  1. I totally and utterly slate and abhor the flu vaccines because they are very clearly utter snake oil and nothing but a multi-billion dollar business making profits for Big Pharma.
    People’s immune systems are being stretched and compromised by those vaccines and they deliver relatively no benefit whatsoever to those having them.

The facts all back up my position on this and you have been wholly unsuccessful in trying to refute any of those facts. The facts stand. Flu deaths are rising not falling which irrefutably demonstrates that the vaccines are not helping and likely making things worse.

  1. I totally disagree with the Shingles vaccine. Like the flu vaccine it is just another attempt to generate $billions for Big Pharma. There simply DOES NOT EXIST A SHINGLES PROBLEM. The numbers are ridiculous. The Shingles vaccine is available for people aged 50yrs and up and is recommended for people aged 60yrs and up. Typically many people have the vaccine at age 70yrs to 80yrs and there are about 5 million people in that age group in the UK.

The actual number of people getting Shingles each year in the UK is a mere 50,000 and of those only 50 actually die from it.

In plain statistical terms this means that 70yr+ olds have a 50,000 in 5,000,000 chance of catching Shingles, or 1%.

For the VAST majority of that tiny 1% who get Shingles they will be right as rain a couple of weeks later.

There simply IS NOT A SHINGLES PROBLEM based on these numbers. We do not need a National Shingles Vaccine campaign for all these older people just to save 50 lives. All loss of life is tragic, but vaccinating everyone else with cocktails of poisonous chemicals to try and save those 50 people is utter madness. I put in a FOI (Freedom Of Information) Request to the NHS a few months ago to request the data for the actual number of people vaccinated in the UK. In the past 2-3 years they have vaccinated millions of people. That is a ridiculous situation to find ourselves in. It is a business predicated, as always, on a Campaign Of Fear and there is absolutely no need for the vaccine whatsoever.

Not true. People can exercise better hygiene, companies can better support people who need to be off sick so they don’t come into work and spread their germs around, GPs can administer anti-viral medications to those suffering the condition, people can look after their own immune systems properly, government can educate people better on what foods compromise immune systems and which ones boost it.

In TRUTH, the best way to stop deaths caused by Influenza is to cease the fraudulent flu vaccination campaigns. It is the vaccine itself that lowers people’s immune systems, makes them more susceptible to ILI’s, flu and other conditions and as you saw, there is a preliminary study that showed that vaccinated people spread the germs around 6 times more than those unvaccinated.

Ceasing this stupid flu vaccine campaign is likely our very best way at this time to prevent flu deaths, which as has been shown, are now rising every year.

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This is totally true. There are numerous testimonies to be found on the web from highly qualified medical practitioners who absolutely 100% know what’s going on with the flu scam and they are unable to break silence for fear of losing their jobs. What I have seen, is some statements that go as far as they dare go without actually calling the vaccine a scam What they say runs along these lines:

“It makes no sense for the NHS to expend so much money and effort on pushing the flu vaccine when it’s benefits are so limited and when there are much higher needs for that kind of funding such as Mental Health.”

Good article here as an example:

[size=2]Why This Doctor Doesn’t Get Her Flu Shot![/size]

and another here:

[size=2]12 Educated Doctors Speaking Out About Vaccination[/size]

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I took statins for less than a week and could hardly walk, took three weeks to recover ! They don’t do that to everyone but the people that do suffer shouldn’t be poo pooed and laughed at by their GPs as I was.

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Annie, You keep harping on about the Spanish flu pandemic as if it happened only recently. It was 100 years ago!

Healthcare workers have to have the flu injection. If they don’t, they can be sacked or moved to another department. I wonder how many of them would refuse it if they could?

I would refuse to take statins too. I have seen previously fit men become almost crippled after taking it.

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That was the point Art, it was 100 years ago and that level of devastation hasn’t happened since because we have had a flu vaccine and antibiotics.

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As well as the flu jab, I am also regularly offered Statins despite my cholesterol levels always having been good.

I’m not sure how these things are actually funded, but I suspect that GP surgeries are encouraged to buy in a certain number of supplies and, having paid for them, expect to actually use them. It must be troubling if they end up with more than they need, thanks to people like me! :shock:

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Oh of course, since then we have had the Avian/Bird Flu, the Swine Flu, you know the ones that were going to kill thousands of people and they just disappeared and we never heard of them again!

The Swine Flu happened in 2009, and according to Realist’s annual flu death figures, was 78. Yet, in years since, with no flu panedemic and many having the flu vaccine, the numbers have been higher.

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Interesting you should bring those up. That reminds us of course of the TAMIFLU scandal, the product that was supposed to be for Swine Flu.

It’s been five years since European governments tried to fight the H1N1 pandemic and wasted a colossal $3 billion of taxpayer money in doing so. Back then, they stocked up on Tamilflu, a medication used on other types of influenza and marketed as a cure for the swine flu. It actually turned out to be “just as effective as aspirin” against the swine flu

What caused the scandal was not so much the wasted money. It was that Roche, the producer of the treatment, broke no law by hiding eight of the 10 clinical trial reports on Tamiflu. At the time, no law demanded the publication of the tests done to prove the effectiveness of the treatment, and because of that the efficacy of the medicine could be hyped up.

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Because we have had the vaccine. I never used to get vaccinated until I contracted swine flu. The numbers are nothing compared to what used to happen before the vaccine and antibiotics.

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You taken 1 + 1 and gotten to 3 there.

The great flu pandemic (Spanish flu) of 1918 was exacerbated by the conditions at the time. It was war time and people were in cramped close quarters, many of them military personnel. They were also cramped in hospitals.

Many of the deaths were actually caused by respiratory illness like pneumonia, not by the flu itself.

It is also now thought that many of the deaths were caused by Aspirin poisoning which caused bleeding. Medical authorities at the time recommended large doses of aspirin of up to 30 grams per day. Today, about four grams would be considered the maximum safe daily dose.

Since then things have changed dramatically. Hygiene is now greatly improved. Hospital staff know how to isolate ill people and prevent the spread of viruses in the hospital. Secondary infections like pneumonia can be treated with antibiotics.

The flu vaccine is relatively useless and thus has done little to prevent pandemics. That is of course why the FACTUAL numbers show that deaths due to Influenza are going up not down. The flu vaccine is NOT preventing or lowering the number of deaths, period.

Another pandemic is a certainty, experts absolutely expect it. They happen about once a decade. When it happens you’ll of course find some other straw to grasp to explain away what is happening. The truth will be clear though. The flu vaccine won’t have prevented any deaths and won’t have prevented a pandemic.

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Your obsession with this topic is unhealthy.:shock:

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On the contrary, my enthusiasm to uncover the truth and expose the fraudulent scams goes along way to keeping me healthy, which is more than can be said for the unfortunate people having their flu shots.

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…or the death toll would be even greater were it not for the flu vaccine.

Have you checked these figures are accurate? or are they the drivel put out by the Antivaxxers?

For example:

Influenza (flu) is a very common, highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It can be very dangerous, causing serious complications and death, especially for people in risk groups. In rare cases flu can kill people who are otherwise healthy. In the UK it is estimated that an average of 600 people a year die from complications of flu. In some years it is estimated that this can rise to over 10,000 deaths (see for example this UK study from 2013 , which estimated over 13,000 deaths resulting from flu in 2008-09). Flu leads to hundreds of thousands of GP visits and tens of thousands of hospital stays a year.

That doesn’t tie up with the figures quoted previously. Just because someone with an axe to grind quotes some random figures it doesn’t mean they are true. Don’t fall for that trick.

He quotes 78 deaths for 2009 and 38 for 2008 yet according to that study there were 13000 deaths what accounts for that discrepancy do you reckon? someone plucking numbers out of a tin foil hat?

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You don’t appear to have any idea what you are talking about. I am concerned you could cause someone not to have the vaccine and they could get flu, become very ill and even die.:shock:

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I do wonder if those of us with complicated medical histories are in the same place as you though Realist ? you seem a healthy chap many of us aren’t often no fault of our own and we can’t take any risk of getting flu it could kill us, you however can because you are in rude good health.

My problem with antibiotics, my GP won’t give me any for any reason because I am allergic to so many, so if my GP says something else might help me I will try it.

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Antibiotics have no effect against Flu or the Common cold.