Sarah Everard

Police need support, not criticism at this time.

Unlikely they have mistakenly arrested a colleague.

Alleged domestic abuse involving police officers probably higher than you think.

Rachel Nickell was walking with her two year old child as well .Wimbledon common is a place where people walk. Why isn’t Jill Dando a good example she too is a woman .

Because celebrities attract all sorts of stalkers because of their fame. That’s why many try to disguise their identity when they go out. Plus opening the front door to someone is always a risk for them because assassins aside, it could always be the press. We used to live next door to an actor and the press used to camp outside and pester us pretending they were a “friend” etc. This was not a celebrity murder. We don’t know why Jill Dando was killed but she was very well known at the time.

Jill Dando didn’t open the front door to anyone .
She was killed on the doorstep of her own house as she was coming home .
Lots of women are attacked on their own door step - celebrities or not as they take the key out to go in .

My husbands daughter who lives alone with her dog has a small back garden with six foot fencing . One eve ring she heard some knocking on the window saying he was being chased , she called the police but before they came the man disappeared . She opens the door several times to let the dog out it’s not a guard dog . I let my dog out about every two hours every evening or when he wanted to go out .I unlock the door although my garden is also fenced anyone who wanted to can get in obviously Now my husband is retired I am not alone but before when he was often away I was alone and a woman alone is vulnerable.

You are so wrong .
The average man does not feel fear if he walks home in the dark or lets the dog out the back door or goes jogging on his own .

I am quite frankly appalled at some of the thinking here .
Coming from woman too !

An excellent article here .

Annie 5 makes a good point. Men and women are both at risk, particularly in big cities, but for different reasons. Incidents of young women stabbing and beating up other women are very rare - although female violence is more common than it used to be. Women can be at risk walking alone and there will always be predators, chancers and muggers waiting for them. I don’t know how Muddy" knows" how men feel walking home in the dark? I suspect some of them feel nervous as well, and elderly males more so.

We are all trying to find reasons why these violent crimes happen, but it is impossible and the only place to lay blame is the person that committed the crime!
Each one of them will have different reasons for committing the crime, and in the majority of cases they will not be mentally ill
 just angry, excited or afraid of getting caught for another criminal act!

Back in the 80’s I had a fear that computers would take over our lives & everybody laughed
but it is already starting to happen.

  1. Infectious health problems can be easier to control if we all stay at home!
  2. Violent crime is easier to prevent if everybody works, socializes or teaches from home.
  3. Women will be less vulnerable if they stay at home & never go out.
  4. If young people stay home they will not be stabbed by the other gangs.

We can’t all stay home without new technology so are these the early stages of teaching us how to live a different life?

We probably won’t still be here, but by the time the earth is destroyed, owing to climate change, humans will all be conditioned to live in homes that we never have to leave
maybe on Mars?

It could work well, apart from the fact that there will always be evil humans who won’t stick to the rules of society!

I expect some do feel nervous but the average 33 year old man is not going to be abducted and murdered by a WPC .
I know because I asked my husband and sons their opinion .

Poor Sarah’s death has been hijacked and turned into a public circus :frowning: Her poor parents must be horrified.

As part of my training as a volunteer with an organisation I had to attend lectures given by criminal psychologists . Deviant behaviour and its causes were discuss and we volunteers met our share of it.
I had one ‘client’ who came to the door seeking a chat and while I was out of the room getting a cup of tea (and telling my colleagues I was with a client so they could keep an eye on me ) the man removed his clothes :shock: . I calmly put the tea on the table and said ‘I will be back in five minutes by which time you will be fully dressed’ then left the room . He did as he was told and I had a talk with him.

No amount of demonstrations and chest beatings will change the fact that some people will be born with or develop a range of deviant behaviours including personality disorders. Some can be helped, some need to be contained to protect society .
That is just how it is a fact of life.

Well said, Meg!

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As we might expect, we’re seeing a lot of condemnation ,& cries for change, but not so many suggestions of how it can be changed.

Until someone comes up with a fix, to the law, or whatever, I think that we should carry on with the concept of taking personal steps to ensure our own safety.

How would you know that they don’t feel fear? Even today society virtually demands that men show no fear or, arguably, pretty much any significant amount of emotion. All that aside, men get murdered at almost three times the rate women do. Last year 188 women were murdered (19% of those in a public area) and 508 men were murdered (60% in a public area). The murder rate for women has fallen 16% since last year, whereas the murder rate for men has gone up.

Why do people care if it is the murder of a woman or a man? In my mind every life is important :!:

Indeed. Today her mother should be celebrating Mothering Sunday.

I actually feel safer walking alone in the dark on the wild windswept moors far away from civilization. I wouldn’t dream of walking around the backstreets or parks of big towns and cities after dark. Doncaster used to be a very safe place to go either in the day or at night, but all that changed when Eastern Europeans took over the suburbs.

My 85 year old, six foot six Father in Law was surrounded by them as he walked into town to do his shopping. They asked for his wallet but he brushed them aside and carried on his journey, but it affected him badly, and prevented him from walking to town in future.

Incidentally, Jill Dando was the presenter of ‘Crimewatch’ and I always considered her death was somehow linked to the programme.

I thought so too. Retribution perhaps. I understand it’s still unsolved.

Teenage boys are most at risk of gang related violence and random acts of aggression. I know that they avoid certain areas for that reason. It’s nothing new but you don’t have a march or vigil of the same scale when a young boy from a deprived background dies. There is more of a fuss in the media though when it’s someone more affluent such as Sven Badzak. This is a very middle class reaction. But perhaps it will change attitudes, who knows.

Nothing to do with women getting attacked .
Yes it bad that young boys are attacked but this doesn’t make the attack on a defenceless young women any less .
Deprived or affluent a life is a life .
What’s wrong with a middle class reaction it’s not a crime to be middle class.

Amen
a life is a life
no life is more precious than the other
but
not everyone sees it that way
we only have one life, unfortunately this young girls was cut very short as are many others ,which aren’t publicised.

Why was this made public, because of who was associated with it?..apparently
why this death publicised and not some others?

I don’t see her death as a circus, I see a coming together of mother’s and fathers, brothers and sisters
trying to bring some relief for these parents worst possible “ nightmare”
Kate Middleton paid tribute
a mother herself of three.

No one can feel these parents pain,I hope they find a tiny amount of relief from the tributes paid in respect of their beloved daughter,:frowning: