Prince Phillip

[Muddy]

@Zuleika

I don’t see Philip as a hero . Praiseworthy ? Not really . He’s just the Queen’s husband and as such has fulfilled his duties .
Now probably nearing the end of his life … I’m not such a hypocrite as to list all his failings then hope he recovers to.ive even longer …why is he being so disrespected in here?

I am not a hypocrite a hypocrite would lie I am not a royalist but I can still wish an old man makes his centenary.
Respect has nothing to do with it just another sound bite to stifle discussion .

[Longdogs]

@Muddy

Ciderman I suppose it must be a shock sitting there in beautiful Hawkes Bay drinking wine to learn that not everyone thinks the same as yourself . There must be thousands nay millions of people who would have loved to live the life that ‘Liz and Phil’live . A life without the stress and worry of all the major things in life . Yes they have had a few family problems who hasn’t ? They have never had the really wearing stressful problems of life . Paying for somewhere to live for a start . Paying a lifetime for a mean little box . Unlike Phil and Liz - let’s be chummy - who through absolutely no effort of their own have multiple luxurious residences to choose from and all bills paid by the tax payer . Paying the usual things in life utility bills food, transportation to work . Work itself a boring grind for many people who are very happy to retire from it. Their whole life is not made public at all their finances are shady and hidden they live in residences that are guarded and distance they have more privacy than most people have they don’t have to crush into a tube train , or use public transport . They are shielded form annoying neighbours .They know nothing of the stresses of ordinary people because they live in a sheltered bubble.
They have far more control over their lives than most people have .
They don’t have to do what they do .
The queen didn’t need to be Queen her arrogant spoiled sister would have jumped at the job .
Phil didn’t need to marry Liz he could have married another girl and lived the quite life of a naval officer the career he allegedly loved so much . Get away ,far better to marry one of the richest girls in the world and have an life he would never had had travelling and meeting the sort of people he has met ( all buckshee and first class ) and treated with a deference he has done absolutely nothing to deserve .Not only that he was paid and enormous salary to do so .
He’s still paid an enormous salary £395k pa for doing SFA
A nice little pension !

They could have retired at any time and Charles would have taken over and who knows might have done alright .

They do what they want to when they want to. People accommodate themselves to this schedule .The Queen spends a considerable time going to the races to see her horses run . royal engagements never clash with certain race meetings .
They also have a lengthy six weeks holiday each year from ‘work’ as well as Christmas and other breaks .
Relaxing in their highland retreat and at other times when they like to shoot a few birds or deer for entertainment.
Phil has throughout his long life indulged his love for expensive sports / polo / carriage driving / flying /yachting well it help to pass the time between having to meet boring plebs .
When he does meet the plebs he shows his distain by being rude ( blunt ) condescending and impatience ( doesn’t tolerate fools ) the very fools who have supported him for his very long life .

So because people don’t agree with this doest make them nasty people It makes that people who don’t look at royalty through soppy rose coloured glasses .
As for H&M it seems to me that most of the vitriol is coming form royalists who think they have been disrespectful to the Queen rather than anyone else .
Personally I don’t care what they do but I think they should have paid for their own wedding as most other couples do . Or at least the mega rich royals could have stumped up .
What would they do without the gushing and gullible British taxpayer ?

A comprehensive post Muddy and nothing ‘nasty’ about it.

[pauline3]

@Zuleika

I don’t see Philip as a hero . Praiseworthy ? Not really . He’s just the Queen’s husband and as such has fulfilled his duties .
Now probably nearing the end of his life … I’m not such a hypocrite as to list all his failings then hope he recovers to.ive even longer …why is he being so disrespected in here?

I did ask why she started this thread…wished him well in one hand…then started bringing up His failings…

Why not start a thread about his failings…instead of waiting until he could be dying, then bringing it all to the forefront,i don’t understand that…

Shouldn’t the good things of a person life be celebrated…they certainly are at the funerals I have attended.

[The_Artful_Todger]

@pauline3

I did ask why she started this thread…wished him well in one hand…then started bringing up His failings…

Why not start a thread about his failings…instead of waiting until he could be dying, then bringing it all to the forefront,i don’t understand that…

Shouldn’t the good things of a person life be celebrated…they certainly are at the funerals I have attended.

Shouldn’t the good things of a person life be celebrated you ask.

Why, especially in the case of there being NONE?

[Dextrous63]

TBH, Muddy has been consistent through it the thread and in line with her opening post.

She has explained and exemplified herself. Unlike one or two others, who prefer to take a woke attitude and attack her instead of backing up their claims with evidence.

[pauline3]

@The Artful Todger

Shouldn’t the good things of a person life be celebrated you ask.

Why, especially in the case of there being NONE?

Are you saying,PP…has only failings to be spoken out at his funeral?

When it arises?..

[pauline3]

@Dextrous63

TBH, Muddy has been consistent through it the thread and in line with her opening post.

She has explained and exemplified herself. Unlike one or two others, who prefer to take a woke attitude and attack her instead of backing up their claims with evidence.

No one has attacked her, quite a few have backed up his work, accept me, I don’t like being forced to provide evidence, as to why I think he is a hero…it’s all there to read and research, what he has “ achieved “ throughout his life…no one needs to prove it to you…it’s there in black and white.

Just as his failings are to be found…which you like talking about,

All found online.

[Dextrous63]

@pauline3

Just as his failings are to be found…which you like talking about,

All found online.

What failings do I like talking about? Please show me precisely where I have done so. Feel free to cite the post’ s number for me to read it.

As for googling him, I have but haven’t come across anything that marks him out as a “hero” more than millions of other folk who put themselves in harm’s way during ww2. You seem to have discovered some thing(s) extraordinary about him, but for reasons unknown are unwilling to share them. Bit of an odd stance for someone who states that the thread ought to be celebrating his life.

[pauline3]

@Dextrous63

What failings do I like talking about? Please show me precisely where I have done so. Feel free to cite the post’ s number for me to read it.

As for googling him, I have but haven’t come across anything that marks him out as a “hero” more than millions of other folk who put themselves in harm’s way during ww2. You seem to have discovered some thing(s) extraordinary about him, but for reasons unknown are unwilling to share them. Bit of an odd stance for someone who states that the thread ought to be celebrating his life.

Can’t be marked out as a hero in your opinion…certainly one in mine…

Your manipulation of words,won’t get me posting any information on him as to why I class him as a hero.

Check out your own posts on what you have said about him, I have no intention of doing it.

When he dies,his life should be celebrated…nothing odd about that.:-)…you are a manipulator of words…my opinion.

You make my words sound like you want them to…saying stuff I never said.

You try and confuse…don’t work on me…

[Dextrous63]

@pauline3

Can’t be marked out as a hero in your opinion…certainly one in mine…

Your manipulation of words,won’t get me posting any information on him as to why I class him as a hero.

Check out your own posts on what you have said about him, I have no intention of doing it.

When he dies,his life should be celebrated…nothing odd about that.:-)…you are a manipulator of words…my opinion.

I’m not manipulating anything. You say he’s a hero. I can’t find anything to support this. You have, but won’t say.

“Check out your own posts on what you have said about him, I have no intention of doing it.”

Don’t need to, as I’ve not said anything bad about him AFAIK. You made the accusation. Back it up with proof.

[pauline3]

@Dextrous63

I’m not manipulating anything. You say he’s a hero. I can’t find anything to support this. You have, but won’t say.

“Check out your own posts on what you have said about him, I have no intention of doing it.”

Don’t need to, as I’ve not said anything bad about him AFAIK. You made the accusation. Back it up with proof.

You can’t find it, I can…I don’t have to say, have already explained that umpteen times…

Look at your own posts, I don’t need to back anything up.if you can’t see what you have said about him…I’m certainly not going too…it would be like flogging a dead horse.

[Dextrous63]

@pauline3

You can’t find it, I can…I don’t have to say, have already explained that umpteen times…

Look at your own posts, I don’t need to back anything up.

I have. Can’t see where I’ve said anything against the Duke. You said I have. Where???

As for " don’t have to say" … of course you don’t. Just seems silly to make a claim without having evidence to support it.

[pauline3]

@Dextrous63

I have. Can’t see where I’ve said anything against the Duke. You said I have. Where???

As for " don’t have to say" … of course you don’t. Just seems silly to make a claim without having evidence to support it.

It’s all online, all of his achievements…only you don’t class them, as I do…he’s a hero…my opinion.
It seems “silly to you” not to me,
I said look at your own posts, try rereading them.

[Dextrous63]

@pauline3

It’s all online, all of his achievements…only you don’t class them, as I do…he’s a hero…my opinion.

I said look at your own posts, try rereading them.

I have reread my posts. Can’t find anything.
Either point me to one or apologise for your error.

[pauline3]

@Dextrous63

I have reread my posts. Can’t find anything.
Either point me to one or apologise for your error.

Reread your posts…no apology from me, sorry…unless I’m convicted to give one, so far nothing…but will if needs be.

Off to reread all of your posts…if an apology is in order, you will get one. Not until.

[Muddy]

It’s a funny thing when you want to celebrate the life of your hero ( poor old Phil is not dead yet ) but fail to list his heroic qualities I admit it must be a real pain living with a bunch of subservient servants and disappointing children but c’est la vie it’s not exactly heroic given the circumstances.
Actually you have no proof of any of this that’s why you don’t give it and that’s exactly why you are not credible .

[pauline3]

@Dextrous63

I have reread my posts. Can’t find anything.
Either point me to one or apologise for your error.

I have just checked all of your posts.

You are right, you said nothing untoward PP…so, apologies for my unwarranted accusations.

I can’t make excuses for them either…

[pauline3]

@Muddy

It’s a funny thing when you want to celebrate the life of your hero ( poor old Phil is not dead yet ) but fail to list his heroic qualities I admit it must be a real pain living with a bunch of subservient servants and disappointing children but c’est la vie it’s not exactly heroic given the circumstances.
Actually you have no proof of any of this that’s why you don’t give it and that’s exactly why you are not credible .

Again,a manipulation of words,to try and get the poster,to back up,why she believes PP to be the hero that he is…

Many times I have explained, look up His wonderful achievements, it’s all online…:-).

[Muddy]

That is one heck of a hole you are digging Pauline .
Saying go online is a cop out .

[Dextrous63]

@pauline3

I have just checked all of your posts.

You are right, you said nothing untoward PP…so, apologies for my unwarranted accusations.

I can’t make excuses for them either…

Thank you.