It looks like a lot of the damage is down to his arrogance, as according to these solicitors it could have been settled a lot quicker. And thus without a lot of the publicity & damage.
1 Like
Even if he were completely innocent regarding the Epstein affair, I would be quite happy to see him brought down for his arrogance in general.
5 Likes
Imagine you were accused of something as vile as Andrew has been. Would you not want to fight to prove your innocence, to show the world, you did not do it? An innocent man would not pay the many many millions that this has almost certainly cost Andrew. An innocent man would have fought to clear their name. Not hide behind mummies skirt & then asked mummy to pay off the accuser.
Edited to add. Andrew is as innocent as Michael Jackson was when he paid off his accuser.
2 Likes
Fortunately for me, the world wouldnāt be quite so interested if I did it, and wouldnāt be paying the same amount of attention. 
And an innocent man as superior and arrogant as Andrew would certainly not have put himself through the indignity of going on TV to explain himself to the plebs.
1 Like
Exactly, though not quite word for word, what I wrote in readersā comments in a newspaper earlier today.
In getting mummy to pay Ā£12million āquiet moneyā if he claims to be innocent suggests that he is certainly not innocent. If he were, he would have stood up in court and proved his innocence.
Until that happens, everyone will know for certain that he is guilty.
3 Likes
Poor, sad Princie Andrew! I mean, reallyā¦itās not as if heās an adult who could make his own choices, and then be held responsible when he got caught. Tsk, Tsk.
3 Likes
Hi
A lot of posts on works forums regarding this.
Mummy is well aware of the riots that would happen if public money was used for the payoff.
Andrew has had to pay the vast majority himself, his titles remain stripped and he will have a very reduced standard of living from now on.
He will get nothing from the Public Purse, no more free flights, etc etc.
He may well continue to get free gifts from his friends outside the Royal Family, but if they do they will be as toxic as he is.
He had upset so many staff with his arrogant, petulant attitude that it is payback time from them.
5 Likes
Once the dust settles a bit he may decide to move abroad, and lead a quiet life out of sight.
1 Like
I think that people like AirMiles Andy, in the public eye, feel that they are above criticism by the masses of ordinary people like us, so donāt give a toss about what any of us think and do what the hell they like in the sure knowledge that nothing can happen to them.
Wrong!
5 Likes
I understand she is connected to a few legitimate charities and I assume the 7.5 million will go to one of them.
But ā¦ she herself is estimated to have a net worth of just under a million dollars so clearly her influencer/celebrity status also has a few perks.
This is why whilst I think Andrew is pretty much a lowlife ā¦ she isnāt much better, she enjoyed the high life, the jet setting ā¦ the āname droppingā, tawdry as it.
For example ā¦ when i googled where she met her husband.
It doesnāt sound like a good character reference, for her, does it.
5 Likes
Spoilt since birth, so I expect that he believes that everything should go his way.
1 Like
She was only 19 then, so one could argue that she left that life of a prostitute behind her as soon as she grew up.
Considering her early life of abuse by a family member, running away and being groomed by someone at a very young age before she even met Maxwell and Epstein, I can understand why she was āstreetwiseā but also looking for a protector.
Maybe when she met Robert Giuffre, he was her escape route from the lifestyle of servicing pervy old men - plus she was getting a bit old for the taste of Epstein and his mates, so the massage course may have been Epsteinās way of paying her off and she knew it.
I have read the story of her life in some detail and I can see how she got groomed into that lifestyle. Her story of why she decided to speak up and confront the pervy old men who had used her and lots of other underaged girls rings true to me.
I know a young woman who was groomed by a family member and, although she escaped from him by running away with a boyfriend when she was 18, she was never fully aware of just how bad what her groomer/abuser did to her was and she would never have spoken out or challenged her abuser - until she had a daughter of her own.
Giving birth to her own daughter in 2010 is what Virginia Giuffre said was the trigger for her to speak up for herself and others who had been groomed and used for sex.
2 Likes
The one thing that comes over to me was that she wasnāt unkindly treated by Epstein .
He appears not to have been a cruel man. She wasnāt sex trafficked in a trailer by brutal East European pimps . The girls involved all seem to have gone on to live successful comfortable lives.
And she is smart very smart the main thing she learned from Jeffery Epstein was how to make money !
I really donāt understand what āher charityā is exactly where does the money go ?
I suspect in this case charity will begin at home .
2 Likes
Her charity is Here:
I donāt know anything about it I came across it in the SMH (I think it was)
1 Like
So heās got one friend left!
Ex woman friend, Lady Victoria Hersey threw herself into the fray calling Giuffre a scam artist and taking the p out of her looks
She wants to watch it, isnāt calling someone a scam artist with no evidence fodder for a libel case? Iām sure Virginia will know! ā¦ā¦
As for looks, weāll if Victoria had been through half of what Virginia has, I bet sheād look dog ruff too!
Money and no real work are great beauty treatments
Still, I thought it was rather brave of her to stick up for him when everyone else is hating on him
Maybe she likes a bit of publicity and attention, though, and sheās rich so any come back wonāt do her much harm
Thanks for the link to SOAR.
I have read through it and I must admit, it is not clear exactly what help they will give to victims of sex trafficking or how any charitable donations will be spent.
It mentions providing a āsafe spaceā for victims to share their stories but Iām not clear what that means. The Charity does not provide a Helpline so can only re-direct victims to the contact details of other appropriate helplines if they need to talk or need practical help.
I think it may be more appropriate if Virginia Giuffre settled for the large charitable donation part of Andrewās settlement to be paid to a sex trafficking charity that she is not personally involved in running, to avoid any public suspicion that she may be personally profiting from that part of the settlement. She could still run her own charity which seems to focus on raising public awareness by media interviews, speaking engagements etc.
If her charity passed on the majority of the donation Andrew is making to a charity that provides practical help to victims through all the stages from the first phone call through to escaping from their situation, like The National Human Trafficking Helpline, it may allay some suspicion as to her motives.
@Boot, Bloody hell thereās a lot of Boots on the the list ??
Hope lve got the right one ?
Any way thatās my thoughts exactly concerning Guiffreās
so called charity work,
It was probably set up by a
a lawyer who specialises in such work,
and it will prove to be very difficult to follow the trail of the
donated money !
There is no doubt in my mind this was a scam on a grand scale
and the queennhas been fleeced ?
Donkeyman! 
@ Maree, āMoney and no real workā that sounds exactly like
the Giuffre slut to me Maree !!
Donkeyman! 
1 Like
Thatās it in a nut shell as far as Iām concerned. We have a few on-their-back workers down in the town rather than find a proper tax paying job, so Iām used to seeing the type usually after the grockles and Iāll lay good odds she knows exactly what Iām talking about.
Maybe theyāre two of a kind and thatās why theyāre having a girl fight 
Virginia vs Victoria 
Go Virginia!
But I reckon having sex with Andrew and massaging Epstein when youāre just a teenager is real hard work if the worst kind 
and anything sheās got she earned the hard way.
Iām not sure the same can be said of Victoria?
And as to who is a slut, does having sex for fun make you less of a slut than having it for money? Depends how you define slut I suppose
Didnāt Victoria admit to having a threesome?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4398128/amp/Lady-Victoria-Hervey-confirming-threesome.html
And I think Victoria is just jealous! 
1 Like