What’s worst my dear @OldGreyFox is when your child receives a combo vaccine while going through a raging ear infection with a temperature of 105°F…
The doctor leaves to get immediate medication to bring his fever down and a prescription for antibiotics BUT the nurse notices that an important booster is coming up in two weeks.
Nurse vaccinated the child, the doctor returns to office, yells at nurse and fires her on the spot. Child changes overnight and dies 26 years later of rare cancer brought on by contact with Rubella.
I’ve lost my son to Polycystic Astrocytoma Diffused. He’d been autistic, diagnosed a year after this fracas, but the cancer exploded that day on his last birthday in 2016.
He attended A&E with his Papa and was taken to a specialist unit up in Glasgow. Three months later and two grueling operations, one on Christmas day of 2016. He came home for respite and recovery but the shunt failed on 30 December 2016. Back to hospital he went, last time seen alive by me…
On 20 January 2017, he fell into a coma after his legs gave out on him in the bathroom of his hospital chamber. He died attended by hubby, his Papa on the morning of 21 January 2017.
We hadn’t quite recovered when hubby died at the end of April 2022. The worst of it all, absolutely no contact from doctors to know what the heck happened. However, in the case of our beloved son, they’ll never admit to what caused his demise.
Sorry but vaccinations of any kind at the moment are firmly in my “Don’t Trust” Category!
The vaccine actually protects the unborn.
As for the rest …. I understand it was all legally approved for public use.
Quite honestly unless you’re scientists involved in the production of new drugs … i’m definitely not gonna split hairs with you.
That is not the impression I got from reading about these trials.
Maybe I have misunderstood the details but from what I have read, the injector device needs to be in as close a proximity to your skin as if you are having a traditional “needle-type” injection - it wouldn’t work from a distance.
You are assuming that I am anti-vaxx Boot…I am not!.. I am ant-covid vaxx…
The vaccines we received as a child and beyond were of a totally different composition to the spike protein vaccines of today.
And even if I were to accept the covid vaccine, I would take exception to being forced to have a medication by spreading lies and peer pressure. The intimidation and which hunt during the pandemic was disgraceful. I’m not even going to pursue a discussion on past diseases, viruses and the vaccines that were used to treat and eradicate them, they are not the covid vaccine, and as such can not be compared to it.
Sorry Boot, I thought that because of your post about the benefits of vaccinations over the years that you thought I was Anti-vaxx and didn’t agree with those either. I was just making the point that our children seem to be pin cushions these days and I wondered if it was all necessary. I think I had about three or four for the usual things like polio and measles etc, and I’m very grateful. I had hooping cough as a small child so I think one of the jabs I had was for that. But my parents to me away to Flamborough in a caravan in November because the sea air is supposed to be good. Anyway, I’m still here to write this so whether it was the vaccine or the sea air, it worked. I did have one for TB also but the jabs we had back in the day lasted a lifetime.
Sometimes you have to say ‘enough is enough’ or else it becomes an obsession.
I do agree with you on this issue OGF. I am pro vaccination but I am not happy with the drive to jab multiple conditions in one vaccine. On the one hand you can say that this is less trauma for the child, but on the other as an adult I would not have a flu/covid combined vaccine myself. I’d pay to have a flu vaccine only as I would worry about additional side effects of combining. It’s money driven (as in it saves money) not just in administration but the vaccine itself. I think it’s system overload to vaccinate so many conditions in one go. I’m totally pro-vax appart from this issue. I can’t see them changing direction though as it would cost so much. However, it’s counter productive because half the cost will go on campaigns and adverts persuading parents to have the combined vaccines!
Are you in favour of these new ‘Spike Protein’ vaccines Annie? And Do you think that the testing over the long term is sufficient? Remember thalidomide, it was only some years later the terrible side effects came to light.
As you say, it is old technology. Changes have been made since then. Those were multi-use devices that could spread infection. Current devices are single use and have not been approved for covid vaccine use yet.
No you’re wrong very wrong my niece at the height of the 2nd lockdown was advised by her GP to have the vaccine as it would help to protect her unborn child .
Unless you’re a GP , I’m not taking further notice of your covid comments ….why would I do otherwise three or four weeks ago, you predicted Starmer would be out within the week, you drew phallic symbols on your voting card.
it’s well known that vaccines given to pregnant women pass on immunity to the newborn. They routinely give whooping cough vaccines to pregnant women for this reason. Young babies can die of whooping cough. It’s also true that pregnant women who are sick can pass the infection onto the baby during birth.
Increases in miscarriages are caused by many factors. I’d be interested to see the correlation between miscarriages and the increase in sexually transmitted diseases. STDs are a far bigger risk to a baby than any vaccine. Then there is drug or alcohol abuse. Radiation is another culprit. There are just so many variables yet it’s vaccines that are to blame?
I think the reference to Thalidomide is well made but not for the reasons you seem to be making. The disastrous consequences of giving this drug to pregnant women is well known. And the result of this scandal countries changed their drug testing and approval policies and laws. From wikipedia:
" The disaster prompted many countries to introduce tougher rules for the testing and licensing of drugs, such as the 1962 Kefauver Harris Amendment (U.S.), 1965 Directive 65/65/EEC1 (E.U.) and the Medicines Act 1968 (UK). In the United States, the new regulations strengthened the FDA, among other ways, by requiring applicants to prove efficacy and to disclose all side effects encountered in testing."
This made new drugs safer with more rigid testing, disclosure and approval standards. New drugs including the spike protein based vaccines - going back to when they were first developed in the 1990’s SARS outbreak.
So thank you for reminding us of how stringent drug approval is now. And given the numbers safely vaccinated with the covid vaccines, how safe these are too.
But we are not talking about whooping cough vaccines Annie, we are talking Covid vaccine.
There was a very interesting piece on GB News a while back about the link between still births and the covid vaccine.
Yes, the often cited claim that the covid vaccines were rushed into development from scratch is simply wrong. The mRNA based drugs have been kicking about in different forms for decades but only approved as vaccines in 2020:
"The administration of a nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (mRNA) sequence can cause a cell to make a protein, which in turn could directly treat a disease or could function as a vaccine; more indirectly the protein could drive an endogenous stem cell to differentiate in a desired way
The primary challenges of RNA therapy center on delivering the RNA to the appropriate cells. Challenges include the fact that naked RNA sequences naturally degrade after preparation; they may trigger the body’s immune system to attack them as an invader; and they are impermeable to the cell membrane. Once within the cell, they must then leave the cell’s transport mechanism to take action within the cytoplasm.
Overcoming these challenges, mRNA as a therapeutic was first put forward in 1989 "after the development of a broadly applicable in vitro transfection technique. In the 1990s, mRNA vaccines for personalized cancer have been developed, relying on non-nucleoside modified mRNA. mRNA based therapies continue to be investigated as a method of treatment or therapy for both cancer as well as auto-immune, metabolic, and respiratory inflammatory diseases. Gene editing therapies such as CRISPR may also benefit from using mRNA to induce cells to make the desired Cas.
Since the 2010s, RNA vaccines and other RNA therapeutics have been considered to be “a new class of drugs. The first mRNA-based vaccines received restricted authorization and were rolled out across the world during the COVID-19 pandemic by [fizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and Moderna, for example.” (from wikipedia)
The other wrongly claimed problem is the speed of development. What is missing from that worry is the speed / cost / quality balance. Normally drug companies cannot afford to simply throw money at development & trialing programmes to allow faster approval to the same quality. But governments did throw money at the covid vaccine development and testing - £88m from the UK to AZ alone.
Thanks for that Strathmore, very impressive. However, I’ll give it more time before I consider having the jab, and see what happens in the future. With my heart problems I’ll probably have shuffled off to that running track in the sky before any definitive decision has been made. I’ll just keep my head down for now…
three or four weeks ago, you predicted Starmer would be out within the week, you drew phallic symbols on your voting card. 
