RS just a statistic for you, in the past 50 years the Conservatives have held power for 33.15 years and Labour for 17.85 years, make of that what you will of how we ended up here ![]()
Because labour did more to damage this country in their brief 17 years than the tories did in 33 years. Most of the time the tories were in power they had to start by putting right everything that labour had screwed up.
Yeah but Maggie refused to accept society existed, Labour kept trying to prove her wrong
These conversations always seem a bit spurious, our political idealogical foundations were formed when you could dive a bus through the dogma spewed by the two parties, now, you can just about slide a fag paper between them.
I doubt it realspeed!
My understanding is that signing up isnât quite the easy option as it used to be, the forces are quite select when it comes to recruiting these days, a topic in itâs own rights perhaps?
The navy are supposed to defend our waters against invaders. not just dress up for parades. I doub t if anyone in the navy has even stepped on a gunboat let alone used any weapon on board. that is if we even had any gunboats. In WW2 we had MTBâs armed and used
Youâre evidently more informed than I am realspeed.
Leave. ![]()
Does anyone remember âThe Winter of Discontentâ when the unions had brought the country to a standstill. That was the situation when Margaret Thatcher came to power. Something had to be done to curb the power of the union barons who were holding the country to ransom.
Two wrongs donât make a right! ![]()
Its Vintage. Drink It And Enjoy.

Really?
National debt in 1993 was about 30% of GDP. By the end of that Tory government the debt had grown to 38% of GDP.
From 1997 to 2003, under Labour national debt fell back to 28%; then until the financial crisis of 2008 debt crept back to 38% (so overall no change from inheriting the Tory debt level).
For the rest of the Labour government, until 2010 debt shot up to 70% of GDP as huge amount of spending was done on QE, bank bail outs, etc. Note 1 - not welfare spending but addressing the financial crisis. Note 2 - this spending continued under the Tories from 2010 to 2017 getting to 85%. Debt then came down a bit but after 2020 and Covid it reached 98% of GDP, again during a Tory government.
During the two years so far of a Labour government debt has kicked around at about 95% of GDP.
So Im going to reject your claim that Labour have a worse financial record than the Tories. The facts show otherwise. They show that a financial crisis and a pandemic crisis pushed up debt.
Again we need to look at facts. Leaving the EU has done more harm to the UK economy than any other single government decision - hence the majority support to now move back closer to the EU. You not liking the EU is not the same as the UK previously benefiting hugely from being in the EU.
ScreamâŠshe died 13 years ago.
Terrific answer if somewhat macabre! ![]()
Well itâs almost Halloween ![]()
Interesting that the Navy or military may be employed to fight immigration.
There has always been some friction between the UK and some of the EU member states. The large contributions rebate that Margaret Thatcher negotiated in 1984 caused a lot of upset.
BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Q&A: The UK budget rebate