He sure does Robert.
But you do have to ask yourself what the hell are we doing here in the first place, nobody asked to be here yet nobody wants to leave. It would not make the slightest bit of difference if we became extinct like so many other animals before us, why do we always assume it will never happen to us? what’s so special about us anyway?
Are these the same politicians that predicted if we let hundreds of thousands of immigrants to come and live and work here in our green and pleasant land we would make loads of money and live happily ever after. They didn’t realise that we would have to feed them, provide them with electricity, gas, housing, benefits, extra capacity in our health service and schools etc which I don’t think will be recovered by the extra tax on their salaries considering that most of them don’t earn enough to pay tax, thereby undercutting the indigenous work force.
I don’t think these politicians know their ar*e from their elbow, but they do know how to massage statistics to their advantage…
OGF-from reading that,anyone’d think Cameron and his ‘bestie’ B Johnson Esq,were pampered sons of millionaires who had all the advantages,like attending public schools and expensive universities,rather than work among the very population they so desperately wanted to subjuga…er…I mean,SERVE [oops] as dustmen or roadsweepers for a couple of years minimum BEFORE being allowed to stand for parliament! I suppose next,you’ll be saying they should be expelled from parliament for not thrashing the butler hard enough! SHAME on you!
Aaah, creation or Darwinism . I favour the third way
“The Gaia hypothesis, also known as Gaia theory or Gaia principle, proposes that organisms interact with their inorganic surroundings on Earth to form a self-regulating, complex system that contributes to maintaining the conditions for life on the planet. Topics of interest include how the biosphere and the evolution of life forms affect the stability of global temperature, ocean salinity, oxygen in the atmosphere and other environmental variables that affect the habitability of Earth”
WIKI.
erhm ? OK!
Random acts of kindess next!
whilst out dog walking on the links yesterday in search of the running apparition with wobbly bottoms, I realized that I had left on my reading glasses, so promptly popped them in my trouser pocket with the crunched up do lead - YES you can all guess - on leaving the links I pulled out the dog lead and did not hear my specs hit the ground.
to cut a long story short I returned to those same links today and behold there were my specs hanging on the wire fencing where I enter the links. someone had spotted them and as they do in these parts hung them up on the fence - they sometimes do it to the metal/plastic hub covers that fly off car wheels - you can see them hanging there like xmas barbles in the trees!
if you visit the hinterlands of Spain or Italy for example you will find “dying” villages and towns - why - because now the birth rate figure is 2.2 or less and the young have left the villages where they say there is no life or services - why are these villages dying - NOT because the elderly are leaving it’s because of the young with their 1-2 child families - my dearly beloved deceased brother purchased a very cheap house in Spain in one such village - what was now sustaining his village were foreigners buying up cheap properties - the argument is not one of politicians - who are their own play things but a scientific reality
Although recent data show that birth rates in the UK have increased (Office of National Statistics, 2009), this is predominantly due to immigration so there are still serious concerns about long term replacement¬¬. There are two potential means of ¬addressing the problem of providing a young productive¬¬ workforce able to generate income to ¬provide the social care for the old and infirm.
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if you visit the hinterlands of Spain or Italy for example you will find “dying” villages and towns - why - because now the birth rate figure is 2.2 or less and the young have left the villages where they say there is no life or services - why are these villages dying - NOT because the elderly are leaving it’s because of the young with their 1-2 child families - my dearly beloved deceased brother purchased a very cheap house in Spain in one such village - what was now sustaining his village were foreigners buying up cheap properties - the argument is not one of politicians - who are their own play things but a scientific reality [/I]
Morning Gumbud,
I don’t think the villages dying has got anything to do with the population explosion.
I believe it’s down to globalisation.
Lets look at how they survived thus far: They occupied their villages and lived off the land, farming, fishing, cattle ranching, they would produce textiles and perhaps have a blacksmith or equivalent. They would produce their own wines and the artistically gifted would create arts and crafts for sale to visitors. Children would grow up and knowledge and skills would be passed on to them to continue in the life they are accustomed.
They would very rarely leave the village.
So what happened: Globalisation and the EU.
Why grow crops when you can buy them from the supermarket at half the price.
They can be produced elsewhere in the world on a massive industrial scale, or some tycoon buys up all the small farms and amalgamates them into a supersised monopoly.
So that’s the farming gone. Meat can be shipped halfway round the world for a fraction of the price of homegrown meat.
Small vinyards are no longer competetive with the globally produced suppliers.
Machines have replaced animals in working the land and spare parts are readily available from the nearest stockist. That’s the Blacksmith out of work.
With no work in the area there’s no money to raise a family or buy a house.
Tourism takes over the attractive villages along the coast, but with no locals earning enough locally to buy a house, the only people who can buy them are the old folks who have retired and are keen to invest their nest eggs in a quiet little village that has no work for it’s young people.
So all the young have gone off to find work in other parts of the EU, and the village becomes a ‘Gods Waiting Room’ for the retirees. It’s called progress…
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you ignored one essential fact in your usual ramblings - the young people of non-Islamic faith around the world are producing less children - get it? you should in fact be grafeful for the larger Islam families they will help England survive and i would suggest that you start learning Irdu or some other Asian lingo
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We all must take responsibility for the overpopulation, regardless of religion, we all share the same planet. The only humane way of reducing population is to prevent new additions [birth control] some previous occupants have tried alternative methods with disasterous results.
Yes, for the present there will be more older people than younger ones, this is a consequence of the action and must be endured, but as the elderly pass on, there will be less replacements and eventually the population will have decreased. It will take a generation for this to happen.
Or we can go on churning out kids to ‘Help England Survive’ but you can’t buy your way out of the problems facing us in the future. And just for the record, what is wrong with the Islam faith? Muslims have greatly contributed to Britain over the years, the majority want the same things as you or I and are welcome here, same as any other religion. It’s more about numbers than faiths.
Play nicely chums, or I’ll take my ball back…
It’s all in good faith RJ… Or As they say in Oz ‘No worries mate’
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which robert am I talkin to here I get confused - try Economics 101 for starters - you are rambling again - I suppose that’s a consequence of being a runner rambler?
Gumbud, I’m using my member name Robert.
Old Grey Fox (I have to say it soz) has muddied the water by naming his topic using his real name (Robert) rather than his member name. As a matter of fact, my real name is Robert too, but I added junior about 10 years ago so I would be unlikely to get confused with other Roberts.
- NB at the last count , there still 11 other Robert Juniors’ world wide.
Hey ho, let us get back to more positive subjects.
I don’t usually mind having my name given an airing, but not in this context.
Friends Romans Countrymen & all that.
I think I am having one of my stream of consciousness moments.
Is “To be or not to be”" one of the most well known speeches of all time?
or is it “I had a dream”?
or maybe “We shall fight them on the beaches…”
…?
Morning RJ,
In order to try and resolve the issue with the names, I have wrote to the powers that be if it would be possible to change my thread title to ‘Bob’s Bits’ instead.
Most people know me as ‘Bob’ anyway.
I started writing a history of my running career a couple of years back, perhaps for the next generation of my family, and in case I lose my marbles and forget.
It was called ‘Robert’s Bits’ and after joining a forum I thought it would make a good title for a journal.
I’m sorry if I seem to have hijacked your name Robert, and we can perhaps resolve it without too much trouble…I don’t suppose my ramblings will ever be confused for your excellent contributions.
I have to say I never had a problem distinguishing between the two Roberts, Robert Junior said a long time back that he preferred RJ so I’m just honouring his wishes, The Old Grey Fox is a great user name but a bit long to have to type every time so I just refer to him as Robert, he hasn’t pulled me up about it yet so I presumed it was OK. God help yez if you were all Jimmys, there’s millions of us.
Peace be with you all.
What’s another Year.
With nearly seven decades under me belt
And no beer belly the last time I felt
Me legs are as fresh as a two year old Filly
No step to high and no hill too hilly
’Though climbing is not to my liking
Neither is camping or hiking
Rather stay in a warm springy bed
Where I hope I’ll be found dead.
Well that’s the story so far
I’ll leave you now cos I’m off for a jar.
You can call me what you like Jem, as long as you don’t call me in late for me dinner…
That’s some awesome poetry there Jem…
It’s nice to revert back to my friendly name, only the judge calls me ‘Robert’
…and I’m called Pug-and have been for 40+ years now-because when I first joined 45 RMC,they discovered I’d been in the Merchant Navy and instantly christened me ‘Pugwash’.
Then they realised just how ugly I really am,so it became Pug…sigh…
Our local copper,my doctor,my boss and even the local magistrate,all know me as Pug.
It must be easily 15 years since I was last addressed by my given name-which I’ve forgotten.
And a very fine handle it is too Pug, it’s clear you carry it with pride and rightly so.
Now that that’s sorted out, I hope I’m not putting a spanner in the works, but I’ve just asked the Admin could he change my name to my grandfathers home town in county Kildare, in loving memory of him, it’s a beautiful little place called 'Robertstown’ Ha,ha,ha!
Who’s Roger?
I’m hearing a lot of “OK I’ll Roger that” in films where communication with pilots and their base are concerned, also police patrol cars seem to be doing their fair share of ‘Rogering’ too. Who is this Roger chap they all speak of? Roger Rabbit? If one is a crook how does one know when one has been Rogered? if it means nothing then why do they say it? would it not be simpler to say “Alright I’ll do that” why do people have to complicate things? is the world not complicated enough as it is? (takes another mouthful of port and sighs)