I was 15 when I left Bruce because my birthday was in July. No degree here either.
I thought this might happen with so many students acquiring good grades and qualifications, it sort of devalues them. If gold could be found under every stone the price would come down.
It’s being said here that a lot of the degrees are over priced and not sought after.
Students who work through college are highly valued by employers, as this experience builds critical soft skills, expands professional networks, and proves time-management abilities.
If you can’t find employment in your field while in college, your chances are slimmer upon graduation.
I was 16 when I left school and went into a trade. To much emphesis is universities anyway in my opinion. What is wanted are trade schools for higher work skills
When i was working, we had a saying about graduates with engineering degrees as someone who can calculate the volume of a pickle jar, but can’t work out how to get the lid off.
Surely there are different types of degrees. And different subjects will offer different employment successes.
There are vocational degrees - law, medicine, accountancy, etc. and these are probably quite good at getting graduates a job in these fields.
There are quasi-vocational degrees - economics, engineering, computing science, business, etc. and these are less well suited to walk straight into a job in that field, and there are probably more early career changes (studied engineering but went straight into work in business administration).
There are degrees that transfer well if someone is exceptional - mathematics for example where the top graduates are poached by investment banks and venture capital businesses. But every other graduate is closer to the non-vocational graduate (hard to get a job) … however such degrees are good at evidencing intellect and work ethic type of degrees - maths, chemistry, etc… So higher job finding success rate if the graduate has a good degree but low success for poor degrees.
Then there are the very much not vocational degrees such as arts, social studies, history, etc. A very good degree in any of these subjects will likely help a graduate get a job - as such degrees instill logical thinking, argument building, communication skills. But an average or below average degree will be worse than useless.
Note, I’m measuring good or poor degrees by the end rating, not the subject. So a first class honours or a 2-1 is a good degree. A 2-2 is very average. A third class honours or ordinary degree is poor… probably not going to help much in getting a job.
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To Achieve a Beneficial and Satisfactory Degree.
That attracts. The World as Your Oyster.
Prepare for tertiary study. For 5 years.
No more than a standard Apprenticeship.
Undergraduate 4yrs Bachelor’s. + Continuous 1yr Masters.
Only circa 50 of the 130 universities in the UK Schedule this route. Too much sought after, Professionalism.
An acceptance to a University within The Russel Group.
The Icing on the cake.
Alas, some 80 Universities are little more than ten a penny, Polytechnics.
Similar Fees, Study Time, and a Degree.
That Potentially. Quality Influential and sought-after
Dedicated Agencies and Chartered Professions
Appraise as ten a penny. Diplomas.
For what’s worth my field was in Power Electronics and specifically in the industrial area and pretty much all over the world. I had no problem with that degree.
Many decades ago the now defunct Electricity Commission of NSW decided that they would employ graduates in electrical or mechanical engineering to operate the plant as an alternative to the tradesmen that they had previously been using.
After 18 months the scheme was abandoned because the graduates might have known all there was about oil rings and bearings but they forgot to check that the rings were rotating or that the oil level was correct, likewise with the electrical engineers they could design the system but for example would forget to check that all three phases had disconnected.
Apparently the graduates alone damaged, indeed wrecked, more equipment in that 18 months than had happened in the previous decade.
Horse for courses I guess.
To be fair I have worked with many excellent engineers in the power and steel industry and they certainly knew what they were doing but you wouldn’t let them actually touch anything.
Are you not simply describing how one set of skills and experience is not readily transferred to other tasks? For a number of years I worked in aerospace equipment companies and watched very knowledgeable and clever engineers, with degrees, design complex mechanisms. I also watched skilled, clever and experienced machine operators (no degrees) work out how to make these mechanisms to a high level of precision. This involved much discussion between the two groups, I do not recall either party thinking that the other group were idiots, or superior or inferior.
A business that randomly decides to swop people into different roles is not being very clever.