That is so true, and all the sides have something to gain so can we trust them at all ?
That is the big problem isnāt it. After the green brigade were found out to be over-egging the pudding on some things in the past that they were opposed to, I now question everything they say. Then you have those who gain financially from it - how can you trust them to be truthful? Clearly canāt trust the government (any of the them) to put people before Big Business so that rather leaves us in a bit of a pickle 
Fracking seems a dreadful way to extract gases. Water - and I mean millions of tons of the stuff - is pumped into the earth once it has been mixed with sand and loads of toxic chemicals. This causes pressure to build up within the shale deposits causing them to fracture thereby releasing the sort after gas. Lots of the contaminated water and chemicals though remain below ground and can seep into surrounding clean water supplies causing contamination. It basically is poisoning the earth / water to extract the gas. The only good thing to come from it is the gas, the rest is really bad news.
Iām sure much the same was said about mining and all those explosions underground that were needed to get the coal out.
Well I suppose there was concern but fracking is far removed from mining. There is a great deal of uncertainty with regard to how the shale fractures. On top of that donāt forget about the tons of chemicals used - we are talking highly toxic chemicals here mind. Personally I think the whole thing should be stopped before it begins. We are not bloody desperate for the damn stuff in the first place so why bother?
But we will be desperate and it does put us at the whims of other countries financial status at any given time they need to raise revenue (as has happened with already foreign owned utilities in Britain).
Remember with mining, they dug great big tunnels that often collapsed but Britain survived. Itās a pity people donāt get as hot under the collar about nuclear power stations - now they are a serious health risk.
Canāt understand how you could condone this. Ruining the earth for short term gains. A disgusting approach and a very irresponsible one too. Future generations will be left with the mess. Sustainable energy is required not this stuff.
I am neither condoning or rejecting fracking because, as I have stated several times, I donāt know enough facts from an independent source so I keep an open mind until I have those facts.
I have, on many previous threads, agreed that sustainable energy is what I would choose but that doesnāt seem to be possible at the moment, due to many people not wanting windmills near their homes, so dithering around wonāt supply the energy we need (or maybe more importantly: want).
From what I understand it is intended as a small experimental approach and I see nothing wrong in that; if it was going to be a full-blown approach then yes, I would think people may demand more factual information.
Iām also tired of hearing about the state we are leaving the planet in for our children - each generation has changed the planet and the children have coped just fine. It is us (children included) who donāt want to change our habits and lifestyles that causes most of the problems - maybe we should all change to suit our environment.
Oh well so anything goes eh? Wreck the fecking place. Who cares what we do now :shock:.
At least I donāt get hot under the collar about something I know little, factually, about. The whole fracking industry states that itās an unknown quantity at present so Iām not sure why you think you have all the answers when no-one else does.
Each to their own I suppose.
Havenāt you been looking at the links I have provided? Surely there was enough info on them to form your own opinion about fracking.
No, I havenāt been looking at them. After reading up on fracking on a science-based site that stated very clearly that the full consequences of fracking are unknown at this moment, why would I take the information from anywhere else as being more informed?
To be honest Mark, the minute someone starts talking as if the planet is about to die, they lose a little bit of credibility. The planet has withstood nuclear explosions, ice ages, volcanic eruptions, flooding - I really think that to state we are killing the planet is the stuff of kids language. The biggest threat to the planet is too many people on it (hence the Sahara Desert coming into existence) - now that, I would agree is a threat.
I give up. It must be a case of womanās logic or something :shock:.
You are not being purposely obtuse cos I donāt like dogs are you ;-).
Well, if you are saying that a womanās logic is to wait for science-based and supported/rejected evidence rather than accepting the projected imaginings of others then Iāll take that as a compliment.
You are not being purposely obtuse cos I donāt like dogs are you ;-).
Thatās a tad on the arrogant side! If someone doesnāt agree with you, that makes them obtuse :shock:
Well you have shot yourself in the foot with that reply cos the fracking is going ahead without - yet you still support it?
Well you seem so far off the mark with your views that it makes me think you have an hidden agenda ;-).
Did you only read what you wanted to see? I said āI am neither condoning or rejecting fracking because, as I have stated several times, I donāt know enough facts from an independent source so I keep an open mind until I have those facts.ā So, I havenāt shot myself in the foot at all.
Well you seem so far off the mark with your views that it makes me think you have an hidden agenda ;-).
Huh? My wanting to wait until facts emerge means Iām way off the mark? Ah, hang on, is that male logic 
Saying you are supporting it was a mistake but sitting on the fence is just as bad in my opinion as far as this case is concerned. By the time you have made your mind up a load of damage will already have been done.
āOh dear me look at all the mess. Just wish I had said something sooner. Oh well tis just one of those things. Oh nice the āSound of Musicā is on the TV. La de da de daā.
I think the lady has a good point or actually several, we have seen the earth survive a lot we have thrown at it and a lot it does to its self, I feel like our generation is paying for a lot of bad mistakes by mainly men (they wanted to be in charge so now get the blame IMO), the next generation will not thank us for handing them a world that has no energy for them to power their phones and ipads so they will have to sort it all out when itās their turn. Just like we have had to sort out what previous generations have left for us to deal with, why are we always held to be guilty about everything ? Perhaps if the next generation put out the lights, stop recharging mobile phones and ipads etc they wonāt need so much fuel when itās their turn.
For the umpteenth time: I did not say I was supporting it - I didnāt make a mistake because I didnāt, not once, say it. Why is that so hard for you grasp?
Sitting on the fence is the wisest thing to do when you donāt have all the facts to make an informed decision. Going with knee-jerk, sensationalist responses so you have something to gripe about now that, imo, is much, much worse: thatās how terrible mistakes are made.
For the record - I can take as long as I like to make up my mind as the decision from initial to final will not be down to me. I fear you give me too much credit for having any influence on most matters.
āOh dear me look at all the mess. Just wish I had said something sooner. Oh well tis just one of those things. Oh nice the āSound of Musicā is on the TV. La de da de daā.
Whatever heās on - Iāll have some too; escapism sounds wonderful.
That should have read:
Are you a big fan of the Sound of Music by the way? Then again possibly Ausie films might be more your taste, you know the oneās that have an ostrich or 2 in em - oh and lots of sand ;-).