I am diabetic too, but you need to catch the flu virus before you suffer… That is when you appreciate having the jab, because it helps to kill the virus!
That’s patently untrue and just a figment of your imagination. Studies show that the vaccine has no effect on the virus helping just 1 in 100 people. Why people are reluctant to take on board that truth is puzzling.
I have no intention of arguing with you on this with you
, so you stick to your opinion and I will stick to mine.
There is nothing to argue. Also, it has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with OPINION. It has to do with scientific fact, actual peer reviewed studies that can be read on the Cochrane Library.
Saying it is a matter of opinion is like saying the existence of Africa is a matter of opinion !
That’s what they tell you!
I’m happy to take my chances, as I don’t believe in putting things in my body* that I don’t really need.
(*Er, no smutty comments, please! 
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I’ve read the Cochrane and no you are correct it didn’t take long…and?
And that is your prerogative…but your own personal choice doesn’t negate the scientific and medical facts behind the protection offered to those who do believe in the need for it and choose to have it…
You are right Pats, it is up to each of us to make our own decision, but when we have, I think it is wrong for others to try and dissuade us… which is probably why the flu jab threads are a waste of time each year.
I have no proof that my annual flu jab has protected me, but the alternative to having it, in my opinion, is more of a threat to my health.
No, but there IS proof that it hasn’t made the slightest bit of difference. You are free to decide whatever you wish, but to have the flu jab, is to irrationally and purposefully decide to ignore and disregard the peer reviewed proof. That’s not a sensible decision to make, not a rational course of action, and one that can only be lead by fear and emotion. Unfounded fear, fear predicated on the BS fed by the Big Pharma machine. You have my sympathies if you are so afraid as to swallow their outright lies and submit to their campaign of fear.
The campaign of fear and lies is coming directly from your own words.:shock:
Your so called ‘sympathies’ are misguided.
I will continue having my flu jab every year, it’s my decision 
Not in the least. Being a part of the Big Pharma machine you persist in ignoring the published facts. Shame on you.
CDC Paper Shows Campaign Designed To Scare Public Into Taking Flu Vaccine
http://www.anonews.co/cdc-vaccine/
[I]“New documents published by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reveals a massive campaign to manipulate the media in order create mass hysteria and fear in the public so that they take the flu vaccine.”
“The paper “Increasing Awareness and Uptake of Influenza Immunization,” by Dr. Glen Nowak, urges media outlets to use psy-op and propaganda techniques in order to convince the public that receiving a flu shot is in their bests interests.”[/I]
The powerpoint presentation by Novak can be downloaded here in PDF form. It is a MUST read for anyone rationally assessing the flu vaccine.
http://iom.nationalacademies.org/~/media/E9B963EDB28645C5ABCC22467120662D.ashx
Page 5 begins his ““Recipe” for Fostering Public Interest And High Vaccine Demand”
Point 2 of that recipe states:
"2. Dominant strain and/or initial cases of disease are:
- "Associated with severe illness and/or outcomes
- "Occur among people for whom influenza is not generally perceived to cause serious complications (e.g., children, healthy adults, healthy seniors)
- “In cities and communities with significant media outlets (e.g., daily newspapers, major TV stations)”
Point 3 shockingly states:
“Medical experts and public health authorities publicly (e.g., via media) state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)–and urge influenza vaccination.”
Pont 4 highlights the objective:
- The combination of ‘2’ and ‘3’ result in:
A. Significant media interest and attention
B. Framing of the flu season in terms that motivate behaviour (e.g., as “very severe,” “more severe than last or past years,” “deadly”)
Points 5, 6 and 7 continue:
"5. Continued reports (e.g., from health officials and media) that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people– helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza.
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Visible/tangible examples of the seriousness of the illness (e.g., pictures of children, families of those affected coming forward) and people getting vaccinated (the first to motivate, the latter to reinforce)
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References to, and discussions, of pandemic influenza– along with continued reference to the importance of vaccination.
Page 8 underpins the entire “Campaign Of Fear” and states:
"Fostering demand, particularly among people who don’’t routinely receive an annual influenza vaccination, requires creating concern, anxiety, and worry.
For example:
A perception or sense that many people are falling ill;
A perception or sense that many people are experiencing bad illness;
A perception or sense of vulnerability to contracting and experiencing bad illness."
This entire situation is sick in the extreme. It is a purposeful, deliberate campaign to frighten people with bogus propaganda in order to make them take up the vaccination. A vaccination that peer reviewed studies have proven is useless, bogus, a total scam.
How can you be a part of this sham? How do you sleep at night?
Then I suggest you write to the NHS with your proof, instead of boring us lot every year!
I was always prone to the flue before I had the jabs. So for me it works.
End off.
I used to think it was money too before I had my last chest infection and my GP suggested I have it just to see if it might help, the chest infections were getting worse I was becoming a walking antibiotic I was having to take so many. I thought what’s to lose and had my first jab. Felt nothing but oddly no chest infection that winter and my cold was very much less severe than they usually were.
So each year I go and have my jab and I’ve never had a chest infection since, no long lasting coughs and colds are really mild.
Took two years to persuade my husband but once he’d had the first he has been amazed at how much better he feels his milder colds and no long lasting coughs after them have convinced him.
Grace had a nasty croupy cough last year we had her jabbed this year and are hoping that will work for her, she can’t afford a chest infection.
I won’t tell anyone they should have it but just one made a difference to us so nothing says you have to have a second if you are unhappy with the first, it may just change your life though.
I had the flu jab regularly. I also had regular colds and long lasting coughs. The really nasty yukky ones. But I declined it this time and touch wood haven’t yet had an infection this winter. By now I would have had at least two, if history were to repeat itself.
Of course, there is still plenty of time, but I live in hope that I’ve made the right decision, for me.
I think that where people make mistakes is that the flu jab can only protect you from the five flu virus strains, that they put into it. so it doesn’t protect you from regular coughs and colds. What it does do, if you catch the flu, is it helps you fight other bacterial infections, because your immune system is not being over taxed by a serious dose of flu… which can sometimes kill people.
Where people, at risk owing to their other health conditions, get flu it is often necessary to give anti biotics for longer periods, because their immune system is weakened by the flu ( especially if they haven’t had the jab) so they are less able to deal with bacterial infections which make their condition worse.
So will I.
I hardly have a cold or cough at all since getting the flu jab. Of course it might be nothing to do with that, they do say the cold virus is a totally different bug, but I will continue having the jabs.
As I read it, the flu jab will only give protection for the strains of flu that have been guessed to be the ones most prevalent for that year. That guess might be of more value in some years than others.
For the years where the guess has not particularly good, perhaps it wasn’t worth getting vaccinated. However, a person can never know that for sure. Would you be the one in a hundred that would have got influenza had you not been injected? No way of telling. You would know it if you hadn’t been vaccinated though.
I’d say that even if the effectiveness figure is as low as one percent, this still represents thousands of people in our country. Mass vaccination could still be thought worthwhile in view of that.
All in all, it looks like the flu jab will have varying degrees of success from year to year and everyone has to decide for themselves whether getting the jab is a worthwhile precaution to take.
I think it is for me. I’d occasionally get had flu in previous years but haven’t had it during the 18 years that I’ve been accepting the jab. Perhaps that’s a coincidence but I rather think it’s more because of the vaccination.
There is also the safety factor to consider. Thimerosal is an ingredient that has been mentioned a number of times but I read it isn’t present in the vaccines used in UK and Europe.
http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-ingredients#thiomersal
I suppose those in other regions would have to make their own assessments as regards risks and benefits.