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There are things we cannot explain.
I am as cynical as they come and also well aware of our technical abilities and also well aware of the fact there are many things I have no knowledge of.
There is one thing I still cannot understand.
That is the Rendlesham Forest Incident.
I was Liaison Officer with the Americans at the time.
It shocked them.
Iām beginning to understand your theory now, OGF.
If Iām correct, youāre suggesting that one of those stars we see in the sky is our sun millions of years before it (and we) moved through space to the position we are in now.
Is that it?
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What we see in the syars is what happened in the past, not what is happening now.
The distances involded are so great that even the speed of light means we are seeing things that happened billions of years ago.
We have no idea at all at what is happening in the here and now.
Look back 30 years and see the difference in the World,
Alter that to 300 years and imagine what is happening now in the Universe.
Fascinated by all this, we could be looking at stars billions of light years away that have been destroyed but the light from them still to reach Earth.
Humans would be limited to the distance they could travel into deep space.
Yes, I do believe thatās possible JBā¦
So what we are assuming is life in other solar systems could be our own, but perhaps millions of years ago before humans populated the earth.
Thatās true Swim, we have only occupied this planet for only a very small fraction of the time that the solar system has existed. And it looks like we wonāt be occupying it for too much longer. Three things spring to mind that will bring about our demise.
(1) Our own destruction. Wars, Viruses, Genocide, etc.
(2) The Earth is never still and is constantly changing and one day might just throw us off by some major catastrophe. Some might survive, but be set back hundreds, if not thousands of years. We will have to start all over again. Perhaps this has happened before and we are just getting to the point of collapseā¦
(3) An object from spaceā¦But not Martians or owāt like thatā¦
Same here Cindersā¦:surprised:
Using the components available to us on planet earth, Iām sure we donāt have the ingredients necessary to build anything that would travel as fast as the speed of light.
Like Prof Brian Cox saysā¦There are billions of actions that has seen us evolve to get to this point, using a unique set of components. It would be impossible to recreate these actions or the compositions of components to produce life anywhere else in the universe and produce life as we know it. We have only been able to fly to the moon for sixty years, so any other lifeforms that had beaten all the odds and followed our evolution, might have done it at a different time to us.
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OGF, if you had met my Ex MIL you would, like me, have been convinced she was not human.
:twisted:
The problem with one visible star being our sun billions of years ago is that there should be a long line of such images, each being a few million years younger, stretching right up to where our sun is now. I many be quite wrong, of course.
Yes indeed. Life elsewhere in our galaxy could conceivably be the predecessors of our life here on Earth right now.
The enormous distances between any two star systems would suggest travel (even at light speed) would take years. Who would want to go into space in search of a new planet to populate in the knowledge that you may die on the way, but in the hope that during the journey you might produce offspring who might make it in their own lifetimes.
I think the only reason anyone would do that would be if their own planet was about to be destroyed.
And add to (1), over population. Already happening.
I suspect the same may be said about my MiL too.
She can talk at an inhuman rate, regularly repeating what she has said before presumably for emphasis (or perhaps she has forgotten what she said a few seconds before).
Are all MiLs like that?
I suppose that question could be the basis for the foundation of a new topic.
And you have to bear in mind Swim, that is what your missus will be like when she gets to your MiLās ageā¦:shock:
Perhaps I should get out now while the going is goodā¦
No JB, we are rotating in spaceā¦The earth rotates, the moon rotates around the earth, the earth rotates around the sun, and I believe our solar system is also rotating around something else, and the rotation would continue even larger. So the chances of the earth of the past lining up would be remote indeed. Plus the fact, that at just ten times the speed of light you wouldnāt even be able to see the first reflection, even with a telescope, it would be ten years away from its original sighting. What we are seeing when we look up at the stars, is how it used to look depending how far away each star is. They will be all different distances away from us, so the time in the past that we are observing them will vary accordingly.
I think thatās similar to what I was trying to say. Iām even more confused now!
Youāre confused.?
I think I see whatās trying to be said, but it still doesnāt answer the question does et exist? of course we have no way of knowing for sure, but distant stars have been found with orbiting planets and some have potential to support life, what that life could be is anyoneās guess atm, itās more likely to be bacterial and not intelligent at all, of course intelligent life has to exist at the same time as we do for their to be any contact, via radio waves, but even then it wonāt reach us for many years,
I agree.
It is quite likely that there is bacterial life on other planets even within our solar system.
More intelligent life having the ability to communicate with us must be at least as far away as 120 light years, as our very first radio broadcast took place (I think) in 1895.
At that furthest distance, any reply from them might not happen for another 120 years.
Of course, a closer civilisation with the necessary technology could well exist but they may not want to communicate with usā¦
and personally I donāt think Iād blame them! 
I concede that it is possible for some basic life to be present on other worlds in the universe. But even planets that enjoy a habitable distance from their sun, we are assuming they contain the same collection of minerals and a suitable atmosphere to sustain life. They must also have the same gravity as Earth to produce similar life. So the exact same size as the Earth will be required. Any larger and the gravity would be too great, and any smaller and the gravity would be less, so heaven knows what creatures would develop on such planets.
The chances of exactly replicating Earth are billions to one, and the chances of finding life there that we would recognise as life, is also a billion to one against. Therefore, in my opinion there is absolutely no possibility that we have ever had visitors from other worlds, because those worlds are devoid of any life that could transcend the distances involved, as are we.
But what if intelligent life exists in another galaxy, and they have found a way to create a wormhole to bend space so that travelling to another point takes very little time , ?, I guess weāll never know in our lifetime.
We might if theyāve found a wormhole, though I have no idea whether such things are even possible.
Oh yes, of course Iāve seen them on Star Trek and they seem an excellent idea!
Absolutely JB, there is no end to the imagination of the human mind. āYou cannot change the laws of physics Jim!ā
