Good to hear, Swimmy…it seems that the vaccines are indeed having a positive effect (along with the masks and hand sanitising) I just hope when I get called, its the Pfizer one.
Why does everybody look for something to blame when they feel ill?
We are all different and some may have more uncomfortable reactions to a vaccination, but as far as I am aware no OFF members have been seriously ill from Covid Jabs. I know Mups had a bad time, but nobody proved it was caused by her jab, so she is now afraid of risking the second jab.
The AZ vaccine is very unlikely to be the cause of these blood clots , so the few that had them may have had the blood clots anyway.
Lets be fair if most of us, who take medication of any kind, read the warning notes would we stop taking them & maybe die?
There are always going to be small risks in life ( like you may get killed crossing the road if there is an idiot driver on that road) but do we stop crossing roads? It is up to each of us which risks we take, but I would never allow news headlines to advise me which risk I should take !
We’re not talking antiseptics, tetanus or smallpox though Annie are we.
And obviously if the snake bloke got a lethal dose of venom he would die, I’m talking about his body building a resistance to the venom which means that the amount needed to kill him would be a lot more than you or me would need.
If our bodies couldn’t cope with viruses and bacteria we would have become extinct years ago. Unfortunately there will be casualties, there always is in war…
Because there is always a reason why a perfectly healthy human being suddenly gets brought down by something entering their system Twink…
Even a poor immune system is caused by something…
This is not a ‘Small Risk’ Twink, it’s allowing a relatively untested chemical to be administered into your bloodstream. You are being used as an experiment…
To see what happens, and it doesn’t end here does it? The protection from the vaccine only lasts six months at best, what about the cumulative effects?
And that’s a contradiction if ever I heard one Twink…:shock:
You have allowed the MSM to frighten the living daylights out of you, enough for you to beg them for a vaccine… D’you want to buy a second hand motor? I’ve got just thing…
I have to say thats rather a naive way to look at vaccinations, this jab has ingredients that have been thoroughly tested for many years as part of a SARS/MERS contingency plan, its not untested. As if a chemical company (that can be sued) would allow untested chemicals to be shoved into people - it just would not happen.
A vaccine is a way of giving the body resistance to a virus. Being infected with the virus when you haven’t had previous exposure is like being bitten by a snake without previous resistance build up. You seem to be advocating vaccination while at the same time arguing against it.
That’s right here is an article about some of the original research and the evolution of the AZ vaccine
I think the main issue they have is quality control when a vaccine is being produced at such speed.
completely agree with you Twink - most people I have spoken to have had differing symptoms after the AZ and Pfizer jabs but nothing awful.
thanks AnnieS I couldn’t find it when I was posting 
Mine were pretty awful so I can understand why Mups collapsed. I would say of family and friends it’s 50:50 for little or no reaction vs feeling quite unwell for 2-3 days. They do all recover afterwards. But everyone has a different journey with AZ. Pfizer is pretty much nil reaction from people I know who have had it so I’m glad they gave it to people that were most vulnerable.
Sorry Foxy, MSM did not frighten me, I just assumed it was common sense to produce a vaccine as soon as possible. If we had waited years for the usual vaccine testing considerably more people would have died! I know how vaccines work & I also know that no pharmaceutical company would risk selling a vaccine that will produce numerous deaths… but that doesn’t mean that a few may not suffer adverse effects.
I know that you have decided not to take any risk, and that is your choice, but I was merely pointing out that most of us take some risk with the medicines we take daily.
Vaccines stimulate your immune system to produce antibodies, which don’t stop you catching the illness, they just give you a much stronger chance of beating it quickly… so even if you have inside knowledge that the vaccine only works for 6 months & we have to have further jabs, I doubt that we will suffer cumulative effects & assume AZ will continue testing just to be sure.
Most scientists will tell you that the reason for vaccination is to continue preventing large numbers of people infecting others, in the hope that the disease will become less of a threat & eventually nothing to worry about!
Remember the smallpox vaccine that left many with scars on their arms. I am sure people were scared by that, but thank god they took the risk because you never hear of the disease now!
I am sorry to hear that I did feel rough for a couple of days but when I compared it to having Covid, there was no comparison. I had a friend who had a swollen painful arm after Pfizer but that could be down to the nurse who gave the injection, rather than the actual chemicals
We all have different pain thresholds so some people may feel they are suffering more than others, but I agree that very few suffer for more than 3 days. That is why people are advised to contact their GP if they don’t improve after 3 days.
It’s nothing to do with pain thresholds Twink. Some people are reacting others are not. You don’t develop a fever because you are more sensitive to pain.
It will be a reaction if it’s swollen. Moderna has a more common “moderna arm” reaction.
The main thing is that although some people react badly, 26 million people have had these vaccines and we haven’t heard of 26 million dying.
All this talk about a fever ! Just because there’s a slight elevation that’s not a fever . I had a temperature of 103 F when. I had pneumonia . That is a fever!
Friends reported 101. I am the one who had a slightly raised temperature. I think just over 100 is when its considered fever territory.
Indeed … 
The Covid people say you should seek advice if you are over 38C. I was 37.9C but a couple of paracetamol put that right, just as they would have reduced pain!
Yours was 39.4C Zuleika, so you were very sick!