Aaw, you are a lovely lot, even though you only want me telly. 
That depends on who you believe .
Certainly the Pfizer one isnāt recommended for people with allergies , or have they changed their minds in that ?
AZ one not thought to be as effective . Or have they also changed their minds on that?
Thanks Zuleika, youāre very kind, and yes, I donāt think Iāve ever been so scared.
The hospital were very good. They did loads of blood tests, BP monitoring, and CT scans in case my neck had broken when I fell.
I am seriously doubting whether I will ever go back for another jab now.
Sorry to read of your bad experience Mups. I hope after all that, the vaccine does its intended job.
This is true but most of the 64 million people staying free of the virus might be because they are isolating, or at least have been taking the recommended precautions regarding distancing etc.
The body probably does know how to look after itself (to a degree) but I canāt be so certain this is the reason for those millions staying free of the virus. I think itās more because of the lockdown and other measures.
Personally, I donāt want to live this way for the rest of my days and I think the vaccine will help in getting everyone out and about again. Go back to normal without it and the mentioned 64 million figure could whittle down quite a lot.
I had the Pfizer vaccine. Shortly after, I heard it was as low as 35% effective. I have now heard it might be as high as 85%. Mrs mart had the AZ injection a week ago. Iām not sure what the current thoughts are on the effectiveness of that.
I donāt disagree with anyone who has the vaccine Mart, and if I was still working I would probably have it myself. We are all unique in the lifestyles we live, and based on the circumstances of those lifestyles we must make informed decisions on the things that are good for us, and the things that are not. We must not be swept along on a tide of popular opinion and the things we hear or read in the media. One size does not fit allā¦
I havenāt taken the decision not have the vaccine lightly. I have given it weeks, if not months of thought, I have studied the reasons why I should have the vaccine, against my personal reasons why I should not have the vaccine. I say my personal reasonsā¦I have not been swayed by the antivaxers or the conspiracy theorists, but on my own unique set of personal circumstances.
I am not a doctor, and I donāt want to persuade anyone from not taking the vaccine, each of us have our own specific reasons why we should or shouldnāt have the vaccine, and my reasons are many and varied and may not apply to anyone else.
Just a point about living life in perpetual lockdown as you mentioned Mart.
Elsewhere in my posts I have mentioned that the last time I had flu was back in 1995. The reason why I caught the flu then was instantly traceable to a certain event, which I would now avoid. The reason why I mentioned this is because where I live, the life I live, is not conducive to catching viruses, any viruses, and the proof is in the 26 years I have remained virus free. I have not been living in a virtual lockdown all that time, and since I retired, the risk is even less now.
I have allergies but my doctors said it would be ok to have the vaccination.
I told the nurse who gave me the Pfizer injection that l was concerned because l was allergic to some things.
She showed me the list of what the Pfizer vaccine contained and asked if l had ever suffered an anaphylactic reaction. I hadnāt.
I have had absolutely no reaction to the Pfizer and l donāt know why?
Whereas the majority of people l know who have had the Oxford one, have had reactions.
Itās the first vaccination l have had, since l had the TB injection at school. I do have a Tetanus injection every 10 years.
The Pfizer vaccine was the possible cause of flu-like symptoms that came on a few days after having it. They started around midday and I was OK after an early night and a good sleep.
Well I had that one and, fortunately, had no real problems. Just a slight headache sorted by paracetamols and a feeling of slight tiredness the next day (though thatās not too unusual!).
Art what your nurse told you is exactly the opposite to what the nurse at my practice told me when I was asking for advice . She very definitely advised against the Pfizer one.
So where does that leave me ? To be honest I donāt think anyone can guarantee a person wonāt have a reaction .
Mups hasnāt said what her reaction symptoms were but if an ambulance has to be called , well enough said I say .
Now sheās only had the one jab she wonāt be protected by avoiding the second ,according to those who say they know that is , so she went through that first experience for nothing, again according to those in the know . But truth is Art ,no one does seem to know do they ? No guarantees given .
Iām like OGF , not swayed by anything apart from my own personal situation and beliefs which have nothing to do with conspiracy theories .
Zuleika, l had my vaccination done at a local hospital four weeks ago. I had no choice of vaccinations, l was just given the Pfizer.
I imagined lād be advised against the vaccine because of my allergies but there were no concerns from either my GP practice, or from the nurse on the day. She said, it was my choice.
I had never to my knowledge been allergic to sugar, milk, salt, lipids which were listed. So l consented to having the vaccination and had to stay there for 15minutes after.
Itās strange how we have received different words of advice.
I notice the nurse said to you ā itās your choiceā Thatās because thereās no claim on anyone should you have had a bad reaction .
Did you verbally consent or sign ?
Have you never had an allergy that needed treatment by medication or hospital Art ?
Yes, I agree with that. 
I had a flu jab in 68 and had a very bad year health-wise after it. I have refused all flu jabs since but had the AstraZeneca jab a few weeks ago and apart from a bit of dizziness after it, I have had no problems
Itās all politics and no data thatseems to be responsible for that tripe sadly, as emerging data seems increasingly to suggest.
" By the fourth week after receiving the initial dose, the Pfizer and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines were shown to reduce the risk of hospitalisation from Covid-19 by up to 85 per cent and 94 per cent, respectively.
Among those aged 80 years and over - one of the highest risk groups - vaccination was associated with an 81 per cent reduction in hospitalisation risk in the fourth week, when the results for both vaccines were combined."
We will await the English findings and greater detail which should be known soon, but from what the above would suggest so far it looks like - contrary to what some earlier stories have suggested - the AstraZeneca vaccine is actually more effective that the Pfizer/Biontech and that the consequent reduction in hospitalisations is substantial.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19107740.coronavirus-scotland-vaccination-linked-substantial-reduction-hospital-admissions/
Thanks warleyron, sorry to hear about your bad experience.
Having a bad experience myself to the flu jab is just one of the many additions to the ever growing list of reasons why I have declined to have the covid vaccine.
I donāt worry about the short term side effects from either of the vaccines they are only to be expected. Bruised arms, swelling and twenty four hours of feeling unwell.
But I hope we can say the same in two or three years time when that mysterious illness begins to make itself known and appears completely unrelated to the vaccines that we had back in 2021 And then again in the autumn, and the winter, together with the flu vaccinationā¦
No symptoms at all (as yet). No headache or tiredness, although I try not to work on Mondays because Iām an idle git. Well, I am supposed to be retired. 
Zuleika, Yes, l knew if anyone had a severe reaction after the vaccination, there is no comeback on the pharmaceutical companies.
I am sure l signed something. I had to fill in forms.
Yes, l have had medication for allergies, l take Cetirizine for them and the hay fever l get in the summer.
I have had many courses of antibiotics for insect bites that l have reacted badly too. I once ended up in a hospital bed and kept in as they were so worried about the size of my arm. It occurred after a kindly friend sprayed something on several insect bites on my arm. I reacted badly to that.
I once posted a picture on here of a massive blister on my big toe after l reacted to an insect bite. I had to keep going to the surgery to have it dressed.
I am allergic to the antibiotic Flucloxacillin, l had a bad reaction to that years ago when it was prescribed for a Bursitis on my elbow which had grown quite large and looked freakish!
I am allergic to additives/chemicals in foods, sulphites, MSG, strong soap powders, strong perfumes and aftershaves, all air fresheners especially plug in ones, scented candles, mohair or similar plus other things.
I get weals and hives on my body when l am allergic to them. I occasionally get migraines with an aura after certain foods.
I have Asthma that l have an inhaler Pulmicort for. I read this is made by the manufacturers of the Pfizer and has been found helpful for people with bad chests after Covid.
Reading all that, l think l should have been put down years ago!
Mr M and I had the vaccine over 6 weeks ago but we didnāt have to sign anything ā¦ maybe it was brought in a bit later. 
We were just given out vaccination cards and a few leaflets.
Same here. I havenāt had to sign anything and I donāt know anyone who has.
That was the same for me too Mags - my husband had his in December and mine was in late January and we werenāt asked to sign anything. Maybe it was because ours were done at the surgery and they had our medical notes to hand - just a suggestion. One thing I was asked that I thought was odd was if I was a carer. Why they would ask me that I donāt know - of course I care for my husband who is almost 90 and very fragile and thatās what I told them. I didnāt think to ask why they wanted to know I was too busy watching the other nurse with the needle!