Ok, their are excuses for those 55. Can’t find any excuses for this.
Between Oct. 11 and Oct. 18, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s cumulative count for breakthrough deaths jumped by 51% from 7,178 to 10,857.
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Not sure about “the supposed” element, just unsure about the rest of it.
and from that link - which isnt about vaccine deaths as your last link was but about covid disease deaths
That trajectory continued through the summer. In 16 jurisdictions representing 30% of the U.S. population, the death rate among the vaccinated jumped from 0.1 per 100,000 people in late June to 1.2 per 100,000 at the height of the delta surge in August. Among the unvaccinated, though, the death rate per 100,000 people went from 1.9 to 13 during the same period
Nobody needs any excuses - not quite sure what you are trying to claim here.
Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect and it is impossible to die of Covid if you are vaccinated - above certainly supports vaccination as making that much less likely though
I had the Covid shot.
Came down with Covid a few months later.
As with you I was ill for 4 days and one day even unable to drink water.
The adverage age of deaths from covid was 81, I was 79 at the time
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Glad you recovered Galty 
It was a pretty grim time for both of us but I think the amount of deaths from covid was vastly overstated and whatever people might have died from during that dark period would have been attributed to covid. One of Mrs Foxes best friends died from some unrelated disease but it read Covid on her death certificate.
I’m just amazed with all the supposedly undeniable facts and figures thrown at any criticism of the vaccines on here. The way the truth has been withheld by the establishment is scandalous and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that all those stats have been tampered with. I’m not saying there isn’t lots of misinformation on X (formerly twitter) but in most cases you get to hear the stories that don’t get reported in the MSM and just because they are reported on X doesn’t mean that they are all wrong. That’s why I don’t post my sources on here, (1) Because we are not allowed to post anything from twitter on here and (2) Because the protagonists don’t believe them. Which is exactly why I don’t believe any so called ‘Official’ sources people post on here. We’ve already established (or at least some of us have) that the met office has been posting duff, incorrect or estimated information, and did you know that the ONS (Office of National Statistics) didn’t do accurate studies of the deaths from covid? They counted a few and then ‘estimated’ the rest, so could have been wildly inaccurate. Remember the exit poles at the EU referendum?
Absolutely, Johnson was found to be a liar in the first degree, so why believe and post so called ‘Official Statistics’ when his government probably massaged the statistics so people would remain in their homes and only come out for the jab. And he’s not the only PM or government doing this on a daily basis, but they haven’t been found out yet.
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I don’t think I’ve quoted any statistics on this thread. Official or otherwise. But don’t you remember back in Feb / Mar 2020 when Italian hospitals were massively overrun with very ill people, the hospitals in the UK were trying to work out how to separate Covid from non-Covid patients, where to get PPE from and how to allocate ICU beds & ventilators to which Covid patients? This was a year before any vaccine was widely available. So please explain this claim about massaging numbers to keep people in their homes unless to get the vaccine.
So are you saying that the vaccine was the saviour of the universe and we would still be knee deep in covid patients had it not been for the vaccines? Or did covid, like any other global virus, just fade away and stop being a nuisance anymore?
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This has always been a balancing act, there are some folks treading this planet who, pure and simple don’t like being ill. some folks think the prospect of being ill is worth it to pursue a sport, a holiday or a shopping trip, that is up to them. If your an anti-ill person the restrictions imposed in the pandemic are the best to follow, without being legislated for, this is common sense in my book.
One of my jobs is to deliver medication, about 10% of what’s going out a the moment are antibiotics marked urgent, that’s a fact, don’t know if it’s a hangover from the Pandemic or something to do with a vaccine reaction, but it’s mind boggling out there
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This must of been over looked
More vaccinated people are dying of COVID-19
I don’t know why they don’t publish how many didn’t get Vaccinated and and served. But go guess would suggest the numbers are considerably higher then the vaccinated deaths.
As before, trying to silence the ones that had opposed the BS they was being dished.
It still goes against common knowledge (not implying it’s common) that you quarantine sick people, not health (lockdowns) people.
I’ve got an idea. Wear two masks! That one broke the camels back.
Sounds like you can thank the vaccine for the fact that you survived.
That’s right Lincs it was somebody else so don’t get all paranoid on me…
Got a five pack of covid testers, the Son and I are clear, the Wife and Daughter are blighted, who would have known, get on with it you lot. 
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Apparently it’s been circulating Doncaster Spitty, I’m going to do my recluse impression and stay away from folks. Best wishes for Christmas and a speedy recovery for your wife and daughter…
Totally lost as to what you are trying to claim here -
statistics, including your own link - showed the percentage of people dieing from Covid was much higher in un vaccinated people
of course ,as with all proper science, one has to rule out variables - ie of course if more people over 80 are vaccinated than young people, the death rate i n that group would be higher
if you have any credible sources showing higher percentage of unvaccinated people, all other things being equal, survived Covid, please share them
I’m on the sofa Foxy, can’t be to careful!
You do right Spitty, a snifter of the hard stuff might help. The father in law used to swear by a stiff drink before he went to bed…
Mind you…He’s dead now…
I dont buy this ‘I m right but I can’t share my sources’ and all your alternative but unable to be shared sources are reliable and show otherwise than official sources
Nor do I buy ‘stats all over the world are wrong and all governments were in some conspiracy to withhold truth from people’.
Nobody claims the vaccine is perfect or that governments handled everything perfectly (do they ever on anything?) but I dont buy the leap from that to ‘the truth has been withheld’
Just because things are on twitter doesnt make them wrong - obviously doesn’t make them right either.
Fairly obviously isnt reliable source of factual information.
I’ll stick with actual facts and credible sources myself
What a way to go 