I’m not sure what you are arguing now - I dont dispute that lockdowns minimised spread of Covid and flu at all and neither does ‘the medical proffession’
Of course it wasnt a coincidence that flu cases were unusually low during the lockdown periods - who is claiming it is??
and., no I dont believe it was all some conspiracy between all governments of the world and scientists and Big Pharma - one doesnt have to be a medical proffessional to disbelieve that claim.
I dont btw believe in any other conspiracy theories either - men didnt really walk on the moon etc - I dont have to be an astronaut to not believe that one either.
Because lockdowns were not perfect - people still had to do food shopping - some people broke rules deliberately and some people had to not be in lockdown - essential workers and essential travel
Both lockdowns and mask wearing reduced the spread of influenza (and every other respiratory spread disease) as well as Covid
There was also flu vaccine - so that limited spread of flu. At the time of lockdowns there was not yet Covid vaccine - and some diseases are more easily spread than others and people had no naturally acquired immunity to Covid whereas many people had been previously exposed to fl u and had some natural immunity.
A large numbers of Americans ignored the lockdowns, and they did not create higher cases as predicted by the professionals.
What i seen from the lockdowns were a lot of people did not get to celebrate Thanksgiving, Christmas, wedding, funerals with friends and loved one. And the other half ignored these lockdowns and attend these events. Sure some would show up with masks in the beginning of a get together and none in sight after a few minutes.
These people don’t have regrets for their choices and not following the whims of yes men and women.
lest we forget?, a couple of weeks ago, the BBC was at a Hospital bursting at the seams and was showing the daily staff meetings, to try and get a viable strategy. It was interesting to note not one member of the 30 or so members of staff had a face mask on
Given that it was stated 60% of the hospital places were occupied with Flu and Covid patients, it seemed strange that no one seemed to show concerns about further transmission, what cost normality?
They really should wear masks around the immuno-suppressed. A BFF’s mum who was in hospital with leukaemia, died of a common cold. I guess it’s down to cost savings perhaps? Human life is cheap these days it seems.
Apparently some scientist has taken a used mask and transferred the contents onto a petri dish and was surprised by the number of very dangerous bacteria appearing in the dish.
If the covid don’t get ya then the bacteria will…
I can’t post the scientist or the experiment because it was on X (formerly twitter)
There are deadly bacteria up many people’s noses, deadly to the immunosuppressed that is. Unless you nuzzle up to a patient they won’t be infected by a mask.
The importance of hand washing, PPE for medical staff dealing with vulnerable cancer and other low immunity patients cannot be emphasised. If it isn’t happening it’s down to cost savings and a blase attitude. Infection control is basic common sense.
That was a diabolical decision Robin I could never understand why they did that, people were just as likely to pass on covid whether they were vaxxed or not.
Oh my giddy aunt. What a fabulous endorsement of vaccines. You did well to endure your initial bout of the virus. And, in surviving that bout, your body was now had the immune response to tackle the virus. That was developed in your body as it dealt with the first bout. So the second infection was very likely going to be much milder. Your body was ready for it. It is as if you gave yourself your own vaccine.
So we could have infected everyone so that they’d all develop their own immune response - kind of like take kids to chicken pox parties. The only problem(s) were the incredibly high risk, the severity of the illness even if you survived, and the likelihood of runaway infections shutting down society, overwhelming hospitals, killing off so many essential workers, shutting businesses down completely and the complete breakdown of all that we know. Yes, apart from that a great idea. Instead vaccines provide a very limited dose that rarely makes you worse than a bit rough for a day or two - and gives you the immune reaction at much, much less (but not zero) risk.
Back to the title of the thread. Does anyone really think Johnson has a decent judgement on anything?
I’m not understanding the relevance of the question - the 2 cases I quoted were people who flouted the rules and then caught and died of Covid
Of course both vaxxed and unvaxxed people who have immuno suppressant conditions have since 2020 died of said conditions or of something else - but how is that relevant or any context??
from your link: There have been 55 cases of death after COVID-19 vaccination reported and a causal relationship has been excluded in 17 cases. In the remaining cases, the causal link between the vaccine and the death was not specified (8) or considered possible (15), probable (1), or very probable/demonstrated (14).
So, no, not 55 cases - at most 37 cases.
considerably less than the number of cases from Covid disease.(understatement of the year)
