Coronavirus

Got to dial 111

It seems that the Tube service in London has been cut by half. as well as buses

Trouble is that the Tube that is still running is packed out with people crammed together

Only good thing is my Daughter who works for Maximum security Gov is as along with her work mates where ordered to work from home.

Stats for today
They seem fairly low at the moment

Looks like to me they are taking off Hope not.

Deaths are nearly 20K

Doubled in just over a week

Yes Muddy, a lot less deaths today…(13 as opposed to 87 yesterday) But still over fourteen hundred newly infected.

A difference of figures between the different sources.

Yes, one was regarding world figures; the other UK.

Personally, my concern is principally with the latter.

I must apologise, the newly infected today in the UK was 201 today as opposed to 1434 yesterday…very encouraging if it continues.

You’re right JB, although the rest of the world has my deepest sympathy, but it’s the UK that is my main concern and the way that Boris is dealing with it, and as far as I can see, Boris is doing his best given the circumstances.

An excellent, informative post I think is good to share :

Hello. I work for Capital Air Ambulance, the largest UK based dedicated Air Ambulance company, operating from Exeter Airport. I thought that I might share the information below, ‘Viral Load’, which comes from our Medical Director Dr Simon Forrington; someone who is also on the frontline in the fight against the Coronavirus pandemic at his ‘home’ hospital in Manchester.

Working closely with Public Health England, Simon, together with our medical team, has been instrumental in directing the way in which we as an Air Ambulance repatriation and emergency transfer service have been able to continue critical missions, returning sick and injured patients home during these exceptional times. We ensure that our flight crew, medical crew and patients remain protected and safe throughout. By using measures far exceeding the mininimum requirements laid down by European and National Aviation Authorities these have been the key to continued safe operation.

I hope that this will prove enlightening and strike the message home to those who are sceptical / complacent about the need for Social Distancing.

Why do we need to shut places where people group?

VIRAL LOAD

There will be a lot about this. Why is it important?

With this virus, the amount of virus in your blood at first infection directly relates to the severity of the illness you will suffer. This isn’t unusual - HIV management is all about reducing viral load to keep people alive longer. BUT it’s very important in COVID-19.

So if you are in, say, a pub or religious building or entertainment venue with 200 people and a large number don’t have symptoms but are shedding virus, you are breathing in lots of droplets per minute and absorbing a high load of the virus in a crowded space. They become ill over the next 48 hours. You then three days later wonder why you can’t breathe and end up in hospital. You’d decided because you were young and healthy it wasn’t going to be a problem. Wrong.

Fortunately but unfortunately because the elderly are isolating quite well, the initial UK data suggests that all age groups above 20 are almost equally represented in ITUs in England. Most of the cases are in London but the wave is moving outwards.

This means that being under 60 and fit and well doesn’t seem to be as protective as we thought. Why? Viral load.

This may be skewed simply by the fact that too many Londoners didn’t do as asked and congregated in large groups in confined spaces and got a large initial viral load. They then went home and infected their wider families. Which is why, as London is overwhelmed, we need to shut everything down to save the rest of the UK. We are a week at most behind London.

Our sympathies go out to the families affected in London and the critical care teams battling right now to save as many as they can.

If I sit with one person and catch this virus, I get a small viral load. My immune system will start to fight it and by the time the virus starts replicating, I’m ready to kill it.

No medicines will help this process meaningfully hence there is no “cure” for this virus. All we can do is support you with a ventilator and hope your immune system can catch up fast enough.

If I sit in the same room with six people, all shedding I get six times the initial dose. The rise in viral load is faster than my immune system can cope with and it is overrun. I then become critically ill and need me (or someone of my specialty) to fix it instead of just being at home and being ok in the end.

THIS BIT IS IMPORTANT:

If you are a large family group, remember that by being ill and in the same room, you will make each other ill or “more ill”. If you get sick, isolate just yourself to one room and stay there. Don’t all sit in one room coughing. You will increase the viral load for all of you, reducing your survival rate.

A family of six people may produce double the droplets of a family of three in the same space. Maths is important.

If one of you is symptomatic, assume you are all shedding and make sure you keep some space.

Parents are getting it from their kids because no one is going to stop comforting their child (nor should they) so the parent gets a big hit as well as the child. I don’t think that can be helped.

REMEMBER: THINK ABOUT VIRAL LOAD

It could save your life or your child’s.

Just a bit of a shame that we still have idiots who think they know better and choose to ignore the instructions.

No police on the streets and, no doubt, any army personnel will be found only in Londonistan, so I’m afraid the problem is likely to continue.

Thanks again Lindyloo for another excellent informative post. Will share that :023:

Yes, thanks for posting that Lindy very interesting, I’ve copied it and sent it to my loved ones, it could save them, and me, some hardship in the future…:023:

It would have been appropriate for Boris to have explained this to the British public some while ago. Somehow I think the “herd immunity” theory got in the way… :cry:

Meanwhile in god’s own country… :wink:

Two more people died overnight bringing the total to 11 deaths.

The Federal Government has lifted its restrictions on hairdressers and barbers, scrapping the rule imposed the day before that haircuts needed be less than 30 minutes.

It’s good news for those who refuse to go grey without a fight.

States are now able to change the 10 person rule at funerals with a permit on a case by case basis.

Traffic is looking pretty grim at the Queensland border — so unless you have some reason to be there, stay away.

As mentioned earlier, those new border restrictions came into force overnight, meaning Queensland will now only remain open to freight and essential travel.

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In NSW Police are now able to issue $1000 fines if people refuse to obey social distancing rules.

The problem is that most people think they are a special case (rather like every driver thinks they are above average)

Yeah, we’ve all seen on TV what shits your police are.

Absolutely brilliant article on the virus and its spread. Particularly looking at UK, USA and Australia and why Singapore and Japan has been so successful in combating the virus.

The graphs are interactive and show graphically (doh!) how the disease has spread in different countries comparing them to others at the same stage of the infections in great detail.

Well worth looking at no matter where you are.

A cruise ship hanging about off the WA coast has been told to bugger off.

Seven passengers on the Artania cruise ship, currently moored off the coast of Fremantle in Western Australia, have tested positive for COVID-19.

WA Premier Mark McGowan has called on the Australian Navy to help get the ship, which has no Australians among its 800 passengers and 500 crew on board, to leave Australian waters.

Hi

The stupidity continues.

My next door but one neighbour who works on construction arrived back this evening.

A drunken party in his back garden with family and friends.

A Liverpool fan they where singing loudly You’ll never walk alone.

I have absolutely no contact with them, but they could infect others

They shop at Tesco’s, so no going there.

The vast majority are taking this seriously.

Pillocks however are not.

Excellent article. Thanks.