Conservative Party Leadership Contest 2022

Yes, I saw what you wrote.
I was not commenting on your choice to sign the petition - that is your prerogative and choice - and, naturally, anyone signing the petition is going to have a similar point of view to the petitioner.

I was commenting on the wording of the petition itself, that is why I only quoted the words from the petition.

Sorry, canā€™t get the link to work

I havenā€™t signed it!!! I said I agreed with the people who had signed it, the comments section is entitled ā€˜reason for signingā€™. And if you had clicked on the link you would have seen that.

Sorry, my mistake - Iā€™ll correct my response:

I was not commenting on your choice to agree with the people who signed the petition or agree with it - that is your prerogative and choice - and, naturally, anyone signing the petition is going to have a similar point of view to the petitioner.

PS - I did Click on the link and I did read it :wink:

Exactly, no-one except the electorate in his constituency voted for BJ, and that was as an MP not PM.

Failing to understand that is a failure to understand British politics.

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Yes, the vote is for the party, and itā€™s still a Tory government. If the Johnson lovers donā€™t get that or donā€™t like the way the Tory party choose their leader, perhaps they should try another party?

Itā€™s about populism and voting for the person rather than policies isnā€™t it? and populism is often based on ignorance and sound bites

The unconditional support from the Johnson lovers and the way heā€™s hanging on to being PM and the perks that go with it as long as he can reminds me so much of the last days of Trump

Just what would this evil man have to do to lose their support? I know people donā€™t like being wrong but are they really willing to ignore all his moral defects because they like him?

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Mugs for BJ say ā€œYesā€ ā€¦ :026:

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Wellā€¦I didnā€™t like to say it out loud, but I kindof thought this as well, I have to say.

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Yes, it would seem so, which says a lot about their character

I would not go so far as to describe Johnson as ā€œevilā€, nor do I think he is anywhere near as bad as Trump, but I have noticed some similarities in the way they have both harnessed the populist vote in a rather cynical way to gain power and tried to cling on to that power when everyone else could see it was time they called it a day - and a lot of their constant supporters seem to have given them a rather blinkered form of loyalty, whatever they do and whatever rules they break.

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I donā€™t think that his moral defects are ignored, but just balanced against his strong points. I think all of us conservatives would prefer if he hadnā€™t got these predelictions, but to most of us he still seemed the best man for the job at the moment. Even when looking around the whole of Parliament and not just conservatives, personally I still canā€™t imagine anyone who could take up the post and make a better job of it, or could have made a better job of it over the last three years.

The fact is that no-one is all good, we all have our weaknesses but we would just like to hope that our politicians didnā€™t. Just human nature I guess, at some point we just have to accept that we arenā€™t electing a saint, just a flawed human of which we demand superhuman performance. :thinking:

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But surely a trained monkey, or even an untrained one, would automatically make a better job of it than a man who breaks his own laws, lies to Parliament, appoints sex pests, abuses his position to get freebies and doles out favours to his chumocracy and lovers?

How do you think anyone could be worse or shame our democracy more

Itā€™s just not on to ignore all that and let him get away with it just because you canā€™t think of anyone better. Anyone would automatically be better than someone shaming our country and the devaluing the integrity of our democracy like that

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Truss leads against Sunak in latest poll

Liz Truss is currently beating Rishi Sunak 62% to 38% in the race to replace Boris Johnson as prime minister and Conservative party leader, according to a fresh poll.

A new YouGov poll found 31% of Tory members plan to vote for Sunak and 49% intend to vote for Truss. The poll found 15% donā€™t yet know how they will vote, while 6% say they will abstain.

This means the foreign secretary is leading by 62% to 38% among those who will vote, a 24-point lead.

Weā€™re doomed ā€¦ :009:

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I donā€™t want to look

Think I care?

Well maybe just a bit.

I canā€™t imagine truss over sunak but yawn weā€™ve got till September.

And I agree also Wendeeyā€¦I didnā€™t vote for Boris or the Tories in the General Election, but I think the way the Media has hounded Boris over the last year has been disgraceful, and then for his colleagues to stab him in the back and then go on to fight over his job is beyond treason. This is the same as a coup but with knives instead of guns and should have been put down by the army. I have no love for Boris, but I feel angry that a British Prime Minister can be dismissed in such a way. Bloody outrageous!

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I do love a rant, you rant away Foxy :angry:
I signed just for the hell of itšŸ˜‡

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Now, she argues, itā€™s time to unleash the Tory tigers of tax cuts and deregulation to jump start the economy. There is yet more evidence her vision is proving popular with the 160,000 or so people who hold the keys to No 10 Downing Street - members of the Conservative Party.

A poll from YouGov suggests she has a whopping lead over Rishi Sunak. He insists tax increases that are coming - such as rising corporation tax - are justified given the colossal costs of Covid, and cutting tax too soon could make dealing with soaring prices harder. Expect him to argue too that Liz Truss should spell out how she would pay for promises like sorting out social care or dealing with the NHS backlog while also cutting taxes.

Has Truss thought it through or is this just another silly idea from a very silly woman ā€¦ :question:

The stage is set for the Tory leadership debate

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The debate, set in Victoria Hall in Stoke-on-Trent, will be broadcast on BBC One, iPlayer and BBC Radio 5 Live at 21:00 BST.

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Hostility heats up as Sunak and Truss prepare for TV debate

Rishi Sunak and Liz Trussā€™s campaigns have been clashing in the lead up to the candidatesā€™ first head-to-head TV debate

The former chancellor has accused Truss of helping China to infiltrate British universities, while the foreign secretaryā€™s camp claims Sunak has consistently been soft on Beijing

The pair have also been duelling on immigration and other issues, with Truss backer Nadine Dorries drawing rebukes for commenting on the cost of Sunakā€™s suits

Enthralling ā€¦ :yawning_face: ā€¦ unless thereā€™s a fight ā€¦ :094:

Oh dear, is that the level of her debate? - thatā€™s below the belt!