Conformity and Andrew Lloyd Webber

Thanks for your question Arty, and I will attempt at an answer…:wink:

Andrew is entitled to his opinion but the Main Stream Media have this habit of using high profile celebrities to ensure that everyone conforms, they even show them turning up at the vaccination centres and demonstrating how safe the vaccines are by having the jab themselves. You never see any high profile characters refusing to have the jab.

It would appear that the media in this country is as much controlled by the establishment as North Korea is, they just do it in a nicer way…:surprised:
Even twitter and facebook are being strongly censored now, and any unpleasant question or facts are being treated with scorn or removed completely.

As for Andrew, I think it describes what type of person he really is when he has to publicly resort to discrimination, he might be describing someone who has a religion he disapproves of, or heaven forbid, a skin colour he disapproves of. In fact anyone who doesn’t conform to his beliefs. As far as I know, you still have a choice whether you have the vaccine or not and intimidation will never work on me.

Foxy, if anyone asks me for an opinion on if the vaccine is safe, I say, ask me again in four years or so.

That’s my stance exactly spitty…:023:
But will anyone link that mysterious illness they have further down the line, to those innocent jabs they had a few years back?

Hi

Of course there is personal choice.

It applies both ways however.

If you have chosen not to have the vaccine, then medical staff should have the choice not to treat you.

Companies should also have the choice not to offer you services which may be affected by your decision.

But that’s not how it works Swim, and you know it. Medical staff have no right whatsoever to refuse you treatment. Doctors have taken an oath to treat everyone who needs treatment, it’s not their job to decide who gets treatment and who doesn’t.
And it would be illegal for a business to also discriminate on medical grounds, religious beliefs and sexual orientation, as has been demonstrated by punishments for refusing to serve gay people. The law is there to protect everyone.

Yet, that doesn’t sound fair to penalise someone for making their own choice.
I would never have had the Covid vaccination, as l have never had any other vaccinations since l was a child. Although, I have had a Tetanus injection.
I had the Covid vaccination because my daughter got Covid and it made me realise how bad this virus was.

They say, overweight people and smokers should not be treated for their ailments, yet they still get treated.

Robert De Niro, Cindy Crawford, Charlie Sheen and others HERE are anti vaxxers. I know, they are not Brits. There must be a few this side of the pond.

As children most of us would have had various injections that could have had a negative effect on our health.

Diphtheria, Tetanus, Polio and Whooping Cough.

Nobody should feel intimidated, whatever decision they make.

An understanding of how vaccines work might alleviate some concerns.

I was having a discussion with my stepson the other day (on skype, he lives in Australia). He’s an antivaxxer, convinced the virus is a government conspiracy. What! There are a couple of hundred world leaders, all their deputies and opposition leaders making thousands, there’s not one antivaxxer, not even a rogue third world dictator. Surely the reality of C19 is the one thing the whole world agrees on. And why?

Foxy knows I’ve had the vaccine, and the wife has had the virus. Twenty years ago I would have declined, but, for my own reasons, I have conformed.
The images of folks having a needle on the Tele saying easy peasy and celeb appearances had no part in my decision coz, as yet there are no assurances so, all an individual can do is weigh up the pros and cons, and try to make a balanced decision.

nhs.uk

What’s in a vaccine?
Most people are not concerned about vaccine ingredients and know that they are safe.

The main ingredient of any vaccine is a small amount of bacteria, virus or toxin that’s been weakened or destroyed in a laboratory first.

This means there’s no risk of healthy people catching a disease from a vaccine. It’s also why you might see vaccines being called “live” or “killed” vaccines.

What’s the difference between a live or killed vaccine?
Live and killed vaccine comparison
Live and killed vaccine comparison
Live (weakened) vaccines Killed (destroyed) vaccines
Contain viruses or bacteria that have been weakened Contain viruses or bacteria that have been destroyed
Cannot be given to people with a weakened immune system Can still be given to people with a weakened immune system
Gives long-term protection Often needs several doses or a booster vaccine for full protection
Other vaccine ingredients
Vaccines sometimes contain other ingredients that make the vaccine safe and more effective.

There’s no evidence that any of these ingredients cause harm when used in such small amounts.

The majority of those vaccines were a one off Cinders and would provide protection for most of your life, if not all. The bodies immune system does not forget a dangerous potential target. These new vaccines, to which I include the flu vaccine, are based on a completely different formulae. They interfere with the natural protection afforded by your Immune system, and as such need to be administered on a regular basis. The NHS and the establishment are bound to extol the virtues of these new vaccines, they don’t care about your well being, they just want to stop the pressure of seasonal swamping of the hospitals. I have never dissuaded anyone from having the vaccines, but I should be allowed the courtesy of making my own decisions without being intimidated by the media or anyone else, which to me sounds terribly fishy.

I had all of those vaccines and a few others Cinders, but I was a child at the time and I trusted my parents to make the right decision, and I strongly believe they did. I now look after my own health issues and whereas I have received excellent care and attention from the doctors and nurses at NHS (I wouldn’t be here without them) I reserve the right (after due research) to make my own decisions on how best to keep this old creaking excuse for a body in the finest working order that I can…:cool:

Hi

Well, I disagree Foxy. and Art.

Being overweight and or a smoker is a personal choice, it does not however pose a risk to NHS Staff from infection.

Deliberately choosing not to be vaccinated does

As regards others.

Companies have a responsibility to their employees and shareholders.

A Cruise Company advertises cruises to those with a vaccination certificate only, another does not, same with getting a flight on an airline.

One gets more customers than the other.

As for Andrew Lloyd Webber or any other celeb, they have no effect on me at all.

They said that about thalidomide and the ebola vaccine Cinders (I think it was ebola) where millions of pounds worth of claims for brain damage has just been awarded.
May I remind you, that no such awards will be awarded from damage caused by the Covid vaccines because it is still classed as in it’s ‘experimental stages’ and the companies involved have all signed documents excluding them from any future claims made against them.

Just to add my tuppence worth in…I noticed that the Pfizer vaccine can now be stored up to a month in a fridge after being thawed. Its curious as to how they are just discovering it now…I know it was a rush job to get them manufactured and out, but…still.

You haven’t visited out local hospital A+E on a Saturday night have you Swimmy…?

Where is you proof that an unvaccinated person poses a risk to a vaccinated one? The other way round more like! Don’t tell me that you fell for the MSM explanation Swim…:009:
They are not allowed to say any different are they?
The next thing they will report is that you will live to be a hundred if you have the jab every six months…:044:

I’m just surprised that more people can’t see through these lies Pixie, they are getting more unbelievable by the hour…:043:

The covid vaccines are unlike traditional vaccines and work in a different way. Nonetheless I am perfectly content to accept the immunisation provided by the NHS.

But on what basis do you claim that there are pro-vax lies taking place?