Brexit benefits - where are they?

I’m actually simply highlighting that you get some of the way in your thinking, quite close to actually working out the problem and the solution. Then the anti-EU bit of your brain kicks in and your thinking goes all to pot. And the next thing is you are demanding we all pick up shovels and dig that old Brexit hole deeper. Luckily fewer and fewer share that mindset.

You are twisting my words and not only that, you’re lying about what I’ve posted. You just need to read back through my posts to see what I mean.

The only thing you’re highlighting is that you know absolutely nothing about what you’re talking about and you can’t answer questions.

Your last point about “fewer and fewer share that mindset” (about Brexit being being a good thing) is also wrong unless your so deluded you don’t think Euroscepticism is, and has been on the rise for about the past 10 years or so.

Here is the boy Macron on TV admitting France would vote to leave the EU about 5 years ago

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Looks like it is the end game for the Australia/EU FTA. The negotiations have been going on for five years.

Australia has threatened to walk away from the negotiations especially of the EUs attempt to stop Australia using names like Fetta or Feta and refusal to agree to imports of dairy and beef but both sides will have to compromise if there is to be a deal.

In order to sweeten up Brexit the first shipment of Australian sugar is being loaded in Queensland for shipment to the UK under the FTA.

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Change in UK exports of goods and services to the EU market 2016–2022

Germany +13.4%
France +30.4%
Italy +0.0%
Spain +5.9%
Netherlands +67.3%
Poland +29.4%
Sweden +43.7%
Belgium +57.5%
Ireland +75.3%
Austria +6.9%
Denmark +37.3%
Romania +30.0%
Czech Republic +6.7%
Finland +23.1%
Portugal +10.7%
Greece +21.4%
Hungary +35.0%
Slovakia +125.0%
Bulgaria +0.0%
Luxembourg +151.1%
Croatia +24.5%
Lithuania +166.7%
Slovenia +12.9%
Latvia +44.8%
Estonia +34.2%
Cyprus +0.0%
Malta +30.0%

Source ONS :sunny:

Brexit benefits - where are they?
So all the smug remainers can report that nothing has changed…
But in actual fact, nothing has changed because we haven’t had Brexit have we…
The boats still arrive when the weather is fine…
The fishermen still have their fish stolen by French and Dutch factory ships…
We still have to observe all of the rules, regs, and laws that we followed as members.
We still must observe the Human Rights directive imposed by the EU…
The list is endless, and nothing has changed.
Except we are now struggling to survive after the government printed money like it was going out of fashion during lockdown, sending billions of pounds to fight a war that has nothing to do with us, forgot to arrange an alternative method of supplying electricity after they shut down all the coal fired power stations, and together with Biden, blew up the Nord Stream gas pipe (Biden actually said he would do this if Russia attacked Ukraine) which made gas so expensive for us, not for America… :open_mouth:
And now forcing everyone to buy an electric vehicle and losing millions of pounds in road tax.
Not to mention what will happen if everyone with an EV plugs in at the same time…
And that old friend ‘Net Zero’ a brilliant way to con billions of pounds in green taxes out of poor old Joe Public… :weary:
And none of the above are anything to do with Brexit…
But the smug remainers will tell you different.

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Probably much the same as happens when everyone with an electric stove turns it on, as they do, at the same time now. Nothing. As you say not really worth mentioning.

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Another piece of folly down to Brexit and the Brexiteers

No blame on you or Aus of course, Bruce, :rofl:every country trades where it can do best

But it’s stupidity to import food from thousands of miles away, because of damage to the environment, freshness and food quality, possible delays and hold ups in supply and taking work and profits from our own country

Our own sugar beet farmers are going to suffer badly

Taking off the EU restrictions on imports and letting tons in tariff free from Australia is going to flood us with cheap imports

And U.K. farmers are still not allowed to use many of the pesticides and herbicides or farming practices that damage the environment that are allowed in Australia

I’m glad these aren’t allowed here, sugar production is damaging the Great Barrier Reef, for example but it makes it harder for U.K. sugar beet farmers, ( and those in the EU) to compete

But it makes it harder for our farmers to compete. Far better if we were producing as much as possible of our own sugar and then importing from closer EU countries

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You really should read up on the Australian FTA we have - it favours the UK massively. There is tarrif free imports on all UK products to Oz (except some cheese and metal pipes) but the tariffs remain for the UK. It is the UK agriculture industry that benefits the most in fact.

A good explanation is here →

As for the Great Barrier Reef, it is seeing record recovery.

As an exporting nation Australia exports 65% of its agricultural products, 90% of its gas, coal and iron ore and other minerals. It’s what we do.

As such we have few if any import duties since the 1980s, basically the only restrictions on imports are bio-security based to keep out exotic diseases to protect our agriculture. FTAs are always about our agriculture hence the problem with the EU FTAs.

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what difference does this make?

I must admit I thought that when Britain left the EU it’s only hope was as a cheap labour manufacturing base exporting goods to the EU (though not exclusively to them). I assumed that wages would fall.

Whether that is still the case I don’t know especially with the reported labour shortages which seem to be a problem through the OCED nations (certainly true here)

Visa systems make employment from the EU very visible to HMRC and employers need to payroll them properly not like the cash in hand minimum wage arrangements with accommodation deductions that we saw before.

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Good to this environmental group challenging the trade agreement with Australia

The problem is, that it’s not just this agreement

The whole concept of Brexit means trying to trade with countries thousands of miles away instead of with our closest neighbours is bad for the environment because of transporting goods, animal welfare and food standards

As I understand it the FTA talks floundered in Australia exporting more beef to the EU?

Australia wants wider access to EU markets for its beef, lamb, dairy products and wines, much of which are subject to tariffs and quotas.

I think it would be a mistake for the EU to do that, or their farmers will be in a similar position to our sugar beet producers and they should stick with tariffs and quotas, if that means no FTA, so be it. Better no FTA than one that does harm, like the one our government has agreed

I think the EU just struck and agreement with New Zealand?

The Australian Agriculture Minister has today called it, “…a dud deal” and the way it is at the moment Australia will walk away.

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What climate impact ? It never bothers them about imports from China … the USA or Mexico.

It doesn’t bother them about EU imports from MECUSOR or China … or exports to Japan or USA…

But the UK-AUS trade deal is apparently bad… these hypocrites get funnier by the day.

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You should actually read our trade agreement with Australia because reading you posts you clearly havent.

I hope like me, you walk to the shops rather than driving by car, getting them delivered, etc.