[quote=“Bruce, post:1803, topic:93977”]
The EU can’t win.
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And six or seven years ago many in this forum were so sure the EU was to be imploding every minute. Sometimes I am afraid systems are far too large and too complicated to be understood by our tiny minds, aren’t they? (I learned at school 40 years ago that you do not write “aren’t” in a ‘letter’. You write “you are not”, forgive me, these are the new times…)
I’m not sure that is completely accurate. I’d think that a small, vocal number were (and continue) to predict the collapse of the EU. They were wrong then about Frexit, Nexit, Italexit or whatever and are even more wrong now.
But where you are very correct is in highlighting that the EU and its leadership do not interfere in the internal events of countries in the EU. Hence the EU won’t get involved in the rioting in France. To think that they would or even should is to not understand the EU. But lack of understanding of the EU is what enabled Brexit.
You could be right, maybe I mixed several forums together and therefore wrote “many”.
That could be one significant reason for enabeling Brexit. However I am afraid that it becomes more likely for people of advanced age (like us) to create an opinion without digging deeper into the subject and questioning the pros and cons.
You can find this tendency in topics like sovreignty, handling of refugees, fishing in UK, hating the EU, the French and/or the Germans.
[edit1]: in Germany for example the tendency is with hating the green party for the “gas heating” legislation. Now one political party actually does something about climate change (even if it will not help much) and immediately many people hate them for it without deeper scrutiny.
So, according to your assessment here that older people don’t research information in depth I expect, as an older person, your opinions are not valid for the same reason! 
Ahh Brexit and the benefits - it’s true there’s been a lot of talk about it, and everyone’s keen to know what’s going down. It’s early days yet, so there’s no certainty on whether there’s gonna be any benefits right now. Fingers crossed!
Three years ?
You are making a valid point. However I did not intend to make an assessment, I wanted to express that I have often noticed that “elderly” people (like myself, being mid fifty) tend not to ask too many questions. I have made the experience that they often pick up something from a headline and do not question the validity.
No generalisation intended, just my personal experience.
It seemed a bit shaky, what was the limit of the EU, country wise?
Because of or in spite of?
Does it matter, do you want Stat’s or don’t you? enough time is spent exchanging them.
That article in the DE from Ms. Ghani left some serious questions, at least for me.
“Ghani said: “Having regained our regulatory sovereignty now that we have left the EU, we are now able to ensure that our regulation is tailored to the UK economy”,
=> Ok, sure, if you have sovereignty of something than you can be sovereign, that is what it says. However Ms. Ghani sais “we are able to …”, so what exactly have they done to
“supports our businesses and protects our consumers”
What exactly supports your businesses regarding the regulation sovereignty and what exactly protects the customers. Let me guess, removing nasty food standard EU rules?
Strange that she does not give a single example.
“and having left a single market we can focus on UK trade with the world”
=> I am afraid that you not only can but have to focus on the world-trade
“where trade is up 24 per cent.”
=> where is the balance between lost EU trade and gained world-trade? Better not tell it or what?
I cannot be the type of person to read such an article and then lay back and say that everything is fine and well done.
Firstly this was a voluntary scheme where growers could earn a premium by removing fruit trees. Secondly the legislation you posted is pre-EU./ Maastricht
The EU commission claim they are responsible for peace in the member states. When violence and disorder happens (like we saw in France a few years ago and in Spain) the EU keep quiet and sit on their hands.
Von Der Leyen is the head of the EU - she is nowhere to be seen and the violence in France is a direct result of EU immigration and open border policies (with happy classy Germany, who incidentally paid to send a load back). Don’t believe a word about this being protests about the shooting of a 17 year old kid, its an opportunity for the hard left and north African migrants to get something for nothing by burning and looting property, whilst hiding behind an excuse thats its for a good cause.
It wasn’t voluntary, farmers didn’t have a choice. They couldn’t compete with EEC subsidised produce from the common market.
UK farmers never got EEC grants, neither did our fishermen, they were all compensated through the UK tax payer.
We still have a quota free and tariff free trade deal with the EU and yet we trade less with it. This has been the case even when we were members of the block.
When Mrs Ghani says “able to” she means we can decide for ourselves, not beg unelected masters for permission, and be told “no” every time.
Supporting businesses and consumers means we can create our own regulatory framework which improves food standards and benefits UK consumers. No more horse meat disguised as beef or toxic eggs for us (unlike in the member states).
The EU can’t focus on world trade because it’s a failed protectionist block. The UK has way more trade deals with other trading nations than the EU and also has a comprehensive quota and tarrif free trade deal with the EU.
The EU is failure - it’s also bankrupt and in a debt death spiral.
We left.
You are making things up now. I can just imagine your reaction if, during the 2011 violence, rioting and looting in London (remember how Croydon was badly torched, Ealing high street vandalised, etc etc), the EU had decided to get involved. You would beside yourself with anger.
And now you are saying the EU should be doing something about France’s riots. What? Send in a few members of the EU council armed with lever arch files?
Second, how are north african immigrants living in France the result of any EU policies?
Both 
It is, your ECB QE is a debt death spiral. Germanys economy underpins it - look what’s happening there.
The Euro is the re-badged Deutsch Mark, its interest rates are dictated to by Germanys interest rates, when Germany goes legs up it will bring the Euro and the EU down with it. It’s happening now just like it did in the 90s
I must have missed that. Can you please provide evidence for that?
