In mathematics it is not accepted to prove something by giving an example.
In politics it seems to be different. 
This is a thread about the benefits of Brexit, or lack of them. Logic is not going to feature much.
And what the last few posts have shown is that the one tangible benefit of Brexit that seemed possible, that being the retirement & disappearance of Farage, now looks like it won’t come about. Sad face emoji.
Hmmmm you seemed to have changed your tune, all I’ve read is how you’re worried about your nieces due to Brexit. I also thought you’d been dissing the Australian deal, if so glad you’ve now changed your mind.
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Labour are now saying they want to shut all the oil down in Scotland. If they do that how are they going to raise all the money that they’re promising to spend from windfall taxes on the oil companies lol
Looks like Germany are going through similar problems to us, so somebody please tell me what the benefits of the EU is. And before Strathmore blames it on the war in Ukraine and they’re at a disadvantage due to buying from Russia, please read the article because their demise started prior to 2021 and as far as I’m aware that was before the war.
## No workers to fill vacancies, grocery bills up 28.6%, homeless drug addict woes… and even the famous pub culture is struggling: As Germany enters recession, a look at life in Europe’s ‘economic powerhouse’
That is indeed very sad! I just cannot listen to that man. And the thought that he actually has genuine fans in the UK is deeply worrying IMO. 
I do not know where Mail Online gets his news from. However I am living in Germany and life here is not at all as described in that article as far as I can see.
Of course there may be places where the reported problems exist but it is by far not as bad as reported.
For example the price rise of 28% is not true, single products rose and now falling again. Same with gas and electricity, providers inform customers about falling prices.
Rent has risen by 30% in some areas during the last 2 years that is true (from what I read).
So in total it is not necessary to donate to “poor/failed” Germany yet, thank you.
Labour are funded by donors like Dale Vince who also funds Just Stop Oil thats why.
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You obviously didn’t read the full article, because It’s just as things are reported over here. Yes, it did report on the wealthy areas too. That’s why I said it sounds just like the UK, some areas good, some areas bad. But if you read through the posts on here, you’d think that all of the UK is a slum and that all happened just because we voted Brexit.
You are right, I did not read the full article.
About the UK being slum due to Brexit: I do not think that at all. We all know that reasons are never very simple and I am sure that the most of UK is the opposite of slum.
In case that there are any doubts: most of the front- and backbenchers continue to state that nothing has to do anything with Brexit, only the good things. We all have just to touch the screen and believe… 
Sorry numbers man haven’t a clue what your second paragraph is going on about.
If you’re trying to say that all the Tory politicians are talking up Brexit, then you’re getting your news from the wrong place.
Sorry for the confusion. You are right, I wanted to point out that many politicians say that negative developments never have their cause in Brexit. Only good developments have.
My sources are mainly interviews. As I do not watch TV and cannot listen to UK radio I watch and listen to interviews on Youtube, read the Guardian and the Independent, sometimes the Times. Assuming that it is the real politicians and no artificial intelligence products, then yes, it seems they are talking Brexit up.
Normally a typical response is like “and we will continue to deliver the great benefits of Brexit”. Usually the journalists do not ask “ok, which are those great benefits?”.
It is like when B. Johnson was asked anything. After lots of “ah, ehm, ahm, ehm, …” he usually responded with “the vaccine rollout has been a great success”.
However that is not too different with German politicians and football players, they are also never “answering” but “responding”.
Numbers man I don’t watch you tube so can’t comment on that. I know that you would be able to listen to LBC radio as people from all over the world listen to and call into that station.
I find it hard to believe that you find any articles in The Guardian talking Brexit up, but if you read The Guardian then it’s not surprising where you get your views from regarding the UK.
Also it depends who the interviewer is as to the quality of the interview. I would search for LBC radio and try listening to Nick Ferrari in the mornings and Iain Dale’s Cross Questions in the evenings where he has a panel on and questions from callers. Sadly though LBC recently has turned into a version of The Guardian, so I don’t really listen to a lot of the other programmes on that station and don’t tell Bread, but I don’t take any notice of GB news because I find that too biased in the other direction politically.
I prefer debates where you hear both sides of a story.
If you want a good laugh though listen to Nick Abbott on LBC he’s the complete opposite of my political views, but it gives me such a laugh it’s worth listening to.
Good evening again,
thank you for the LBC idea. I was listining/watching to selected parts or shows on youtube but I will give the online channel a try. I have heard some interesting talks from N. Ferrari and enjoyed how J. O’Brien rants about things, especially when people call him and don’t know what to say. Still I have to admit that O’Brien should give callers more time to explain. He often interrupts much too early.
On youtube there are just the same interviews that you find on UK TV I guess, e. g. with Laura Kuenssberg.
You mentioned my views regarding the UK. I do not have any views on the UK because I still know too little and it is too early to have any. Moreover I take everything with some extra pinches of salt and I am very skeptical when reading news. Therefore I appreciate you for preferring to hear both sides of stories. It is what I prefer too.
Long ago I found a website from the BBC where they publish the front pages of a lot of UK newspapers. That is why I came to read Guardian and Independent from time to time and learned to avoid the DE.
Rarely some stories about the UK and/or Brexit are being published in German news. If I happen to find some I usually compare them to the same news in UKs media. The good news is, that the German reports are very unbiased and their content matches those of the UK news sites which I found.
Just to make my point very clear, I wish the UK all the best with its (courageous) decision to vote for Brexit and I hope that the voters get the chance to vote for some not-so-obvious-blatant-liars in the future. 
lol I definitely don’t listen to James O’Brien.
And all politicians lie and if you’re so gullible to believe either side, well more fool you.
I’m dreading the thought of Starmer becoming PM, because if people think that Boris lies, they’ve seen nothing yet.
Don’t worry, from well-reported circles we can assume that the next PMs lastname begins with an “F” and ends with “arage”.
But, Boris lied outside outside the political sphere, he street lied 
I have not changed my tune at all, I don’t know where you get that idea from - Brexit has never affected me at all other than provide a few years comedy relief as the UK Parliament came to terms with the vote and negotiated the exit agreement, I don’t think anybody would pretend it was anything but five or six years of pure farce.
I certainly never dissed the FTA, but you can be sure it will work in Australia’s favour, FTAs we sign are all about Australian agriculture.
What I object to is the lie that the EU was never voted for when joining was in the manifesto of the Tory party in 1966 and Britain was a full member when the EEC morphed into the EU. I have said many times that I voted “No” in 1975. Economically Brexit was a disaster for Britain coming as it did immediately before a pandemic (not that that was anybody’s fault).
Apart from that I have seen absolutely no benefit coming to Britain from Brexit either economically or socially. “Taking back control” was always a fairy tale in a global market place.
I was too young to vote in the first referendum. I was glad that we weren’t part of the EU during the pandemic. We don’t have to pay into the pandemic relief fund. We have taken back control of our borders. Yes there are people who think that we should take in anybody who wishes to come to this country see the border forces threatening to go on strike tells you all you need to know.
Meanwhile in the fatherland