Pah! 2014 is just yesterday. Too many of the British people are still fighting WWII and all those damn foreigners across the Channel.
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I am also impressed by some logic found in this thread! New Physics in a way. If I drop a huge piece of rock on my foot, it is not due to my dropping the rock, but due to the earth not rotating quickly enough to miss my foot.
Life can be so easy…
You speak as if you weren’t one once. 
the DNA will renationalize you in the end 
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There is no issue for musicians on tour, they apply for a visa. Applying for a visa is not a problem, it just takes a few minutes to fill in. We do it in every other country in the world, including Switzerland (where I work mainly - I have a G Permit).
EU workers also have to gain a UK work permit and to other countries in the world.
And what I said was that the PROBLEMS of GETTING A VISA are nothing to do with Brexit - the rest of the world follows the same process and the EU follows the same process for working in the rest of the world.
I just remembered, the term is cognitive dissonance. There is no cure but with support, guided self-awareness and honesty it can be managed.
Here is a little self-awareness for you. You acknowledge that visas are now needed. You acknowledge that there can be problems getting a visa. You deny that visas are now needed due to Brexit. You do understand that without Brexit there would be no need for visas and thus no problems. But you deny that this is a problem with Brexit.
So you can see that one thing (Brexit) is followed by, indeed the cause of, another thing (the problems due to the need for visas). But you refuse to accept this causation. This is dissonance.
No need to thank me.
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We had visas previously, we have them now, life will go on.
Since Brexit, the “Re-Bending Bananas Trade” is booming
Why on earth would we want to be in the EU just to avoid applying for a Visa to work there ?
Are you honestly being serious here - you do realise that EU citizens also need a visa to work here right ?
This seems to be the crux of this discussion.
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Yes, it is
Because EU citizens only need a visa to work in the U.K
But they don’t need them to work in the multitude of EU countries
Whereas U.K. citizens need them to work in multiple EU countries
So EU citizens obviously have more Visa free countries and opportunities than U.K. citizens?
And therefore have suffered less than UK citizens because of this
Which is yet another way the Brexiters have limited our opportunities and diminished our freedoms and lives
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Listen, the more barriers we create to keep UK workers within these borders, the better!!
the EU regulation “No. 2257/94” deals with quality norms for bananas. It states that bananas must not have “abnormal curvature” but does not define what that is. that is why the “bendy bananas” myth came up.
That’s Ok, in a service economy, lots of folks earn a good living peddling myths.
How has filling in a form compromised your freedoms ?
What’s wrong with bananas with abnormal curvature ? Why can’'t we buy them ?
“What’s wrong with bananas with abnormal curvature ? Why can’'t we buy them ?”
nothing at all, just go and buy them if you wish.
It now possible, thanks to Brexit!
“It now possible, thanks to Brexit!”
Congratulations then. I do not know wether it was possible to buy bananas with “abnormal curvature” before Brexit and I am afraid that I have never seen some. Furthermore I must admit that I and maybe others too never had a huge desire for that.
Still, taste differs from country to country, so congratulations.
This is clearly proving tricky for you.
Whilst in the EU there was no need to get a visa to visit or to work - whether an UK person going to the EU or vice versa. No need as this was one of the benefits of being in the EU.
Brexit took this benefit away. That is the stark reality.
Worse, what Brexit left behind was the ability to apply for a tourist travel visa. One that specifically excludes working. If you are intent on travelling to the EU to settle and eventually work you can apply for a long residence visa (one year normally) but before you can work to need to apply to join that country’s tax and social charges system.
So given that you are a performer then you are facing a very difficult challenge. You wish to temporary work - in the form of providing an entertainment service. So a double problem. First you do not wish to reside in that country but simply perform for a short time. Second, the UK/EU agreement covered goods not services. So it is not a matter of simply filling in a form and getting a visa.
You appear to be stating:
- Brexit is not the reason for needing a visa - but yes it 100% is
- getting a visa to travel for performances is simple - no it is not
- Going to other places like the US also require a visa - so bleedin’ what?
You keep digging yourself into silly denials about travel to the EU for musicians being not a problem and not down to Brexit. If you keep going I’ll need to get Elton John onto you - he feels quite strongly about this issue. I doubt if anyone would want to have Mr John on them.
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IIRC it is even more complicated as the musicians have to jump through hoops to get their own equipment over the border (and back). And also the technicians need visa too.
That sounds all very dreadful and absolutely not simple at all.
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