And 100% down to Brexit.
So not a benefit. Someone will need to try harder to find a benefit here.
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Maybe it depends on ones point of view. Having to get visas and all the red tapes has two consequences:
- It keeps musicians from traveling and therefore reduces CO2 emissions (to and from the UK) and
- It prevents the musicians (and their staff) from spending money in the EU (hoping that they will spend the money in the UK).
You see, there is a huge benefit, economically and environmentally! Plus: folk in the UK can enjoy even more of their cultural production.
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Most UK people don’t work in the EU though only a small percentage.
The first 90 days is no problem - no visa required and after that get a work visa for whichever country you are woking in. If your living there, even easier. Why is this so difficult for you ?
You’re googling up your answers now and tying yourself in knots. The ETIAS system is also available from next year making things even easier. I don’t know anyone having problems working in the EU including myself.
You live and work in France… easy is it ?
I have no idea about the point you are now trying to make. It is absolutely clear that your previous point about “not being Brexit” and “visas not a problem for musicians” were completely wrong. I think you have completely confirmed that.
So now, it seems you want to claim that the 90 day tourist visa are valid for working musicians. No, they are not. That is reality. No, never, not at all.
You also seem to be trying to say (frankly you are so confused that no-one can quite understand your points any more) that it is easy to grab a visa and work in France. Sorry, chief, that is so far removed from reality that me suspects that you have decided to ignore reality. It is not easy. There are many hurdles as a third person national. Those who I know who are having to jump through these hoops are not content. They have words for people like you who have made their dreams so much more difficult to achieve.
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Let’s just blame Edward Heath, and have done with it.
90 day work visas are valid too including Schengen Visa Waivers. Most UK musicians (and workers working in the EU on short term contracts where they are there temporarily) operate under UK companies and are able to work in the EU for 90 days. For longer periods a separate Visa is required but like I said before it can take a few months to process at the moment until the new on-line system (similar to ESTA) comes in next year.
You’re making out that because the UK left the EU, UK workers can no longer work in the EU. It’s an absurd point you’re making. This is also the case for the rest of the world by the way.
For an EU evangelist, you know surprisingly little about how it all works.
I would also be surprised if anyone would want to work in the EU (France in particular) because of the riots and protests. I bet insurance wouldn’t be cheap going there, probably cheaper in a third world country.
And besides, freedom of movement has been a disaster. Italy, Greece and France all wanting to leave the EU because of it. Hardly something to celebrate is it.
In fact, not without work permits. An ETSA travel visa is not permission to work in the EU. It explicitly excludes work. If you take a salary or monies in the EU then you must pay into the local social taxes - that is, you must be registered in that country. There is no longer freedom of movement of workers. That was what you voted for.
If you talking about working for a UK company, paid a wage by that UK company, then that of course if different. But we are not talking about that, are we?
So just say sorry, admit you were wrong and move on.
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An ESTA is a work permit for the USA.
Your thinking of ETIAS which is the EU version coming out next year.
(oh dear)…
ESTA is a visit permit for the US, not a work permit. Oh dear.
Meantime, you still present Brexit as not a problem for working in the EU and yet also one of the central issues you voted for in 2016 and that mean permits must be in place to work in the EU. Brexit is, for you, the reason but somehow not the cause. Go figure. Or admit you were wrong.
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“Oh dear”, that is what I thought after reading etiasvisa.com. There it clearly states that the ETIAS allowance is for business travel purpose and not a work permit.
Could you please be so kind to provide a reasonable URL that proves otherwise, which states that an ETIAS permit allows you to work in the ETIAS countries?
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I have never ever had a problem working in the EU, USA or Switzerland before or after Brexit, the same goes for people form other countries outside the EU such as USA, Japan etc.
Do you honestly believe the only people who work in the EU are exclusively EU citizens and that the EU work permit / visa system is open to everyone except the UK ?
As for ESTA, every time I’ve worked in the USA I have needed an ESTA - that is as a Swiss resident, and a UK resident. You and your mate can split hairs all you like … you need one to get into the USA and you can’t work there without it. The same for the new ETIAS system used by the EU (Schengen).
As I said in my earlier post, most people working in the EU are doing so on a temporary basis through a UK company - you can do this no problem for 90 days (each country mostly). Same with EU citizens working here.
Read my posts properly.
You are referring to going to another country to do business. Not to conduct full time, locally paid work. We’ve all done that. I’m pretty certain that I will have done that, for longer periods, in more countries than most have. If you think going to another country to do a few days or a few weeks business, whilst being paid by your employer in your country of residence, is the “working in another country” issue that we have been discussing then I can see your confusion.
In the meantime, this thread being about the lack of benefits of Brexit, it is very clear that travelling to the EU to obtain work is now very, very difficult. And the cause of this is Brexit. As you’ve confirmed.
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You might do better in arguments if you stop making things up and pretending your winning.
Travelling to the EU to get work is more difficult than in the UK because there are less jobs in the EU than the UK in the first place.
The overwhelming number of UK companies ( more than 95%) don’t export to the EU and even more of the UK workforce don’t work in the EU. Those that do work there temporarily as they always have done, inside the EU and outside of it.
And you might be more credible in your arguments if you addressed the points raised rather went off onto spurious discourses. Most often when you’ve been clearly shown to have failed to make any case at all for your claims.
Anyway, doesn’t matter. The tide of UK opinion has turned against Brexit; the only time in history a country has imposed economic sanctions on itself.
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Things ain’t changed much in this neck of the woods, pre-post Brexit, don’t think any folks round here want to work (or move) to mainland Europe.
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You’re making things up again. I’ve explained how working in the EU works it’s the same as any other country. All that free movement did was allow people over here to exploit cheap labour from the EU and in turn drive down wages and wage growth.
We haven’t actually left the EU either, we are still very much part of EU law, EU regulations and bound by the TCA, including stupid ideas like net zero which is damaging western economies all over the world as well. The sooner we bin the TCA and the Irish Protocol the better we will be, then we can start deleting licenses from the EU fishing fleet and forcing flag boats to return to UK ports. We can then begin to claim back our fisheries and repair the damage caused by factory fishing.
Diesel is much cheaper in Europe .
The interactive chart below shows how taxation on petrol and diesel (duty and VAT) has changed as a proportion of the pump price over time. Fuel duty is currently levied at a flat rate of 52.95p per litre for both petrol and diesel, while VAT at 20% is then charged on both the product price and the duty. Hover over the chart to see exact values.
I don’t know what that is supposed to prove but I can tell you diesel is much cheaper in Europe .
It’s disgraceful how diesel drivers are penalised in the U.K. .
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