Yes, you’re right about that. It’s been crippling for our musicians and talented young people not to have free movement rights to travel and work across the EU anymore. Another way the Brexiters have diminished our young people’s lives and destroyed their opportunities
Bands from the EU may not be able to come to the U.K. but we are one small country and music market and they still have the rest of the EU countries to go to and perform. That’s a freedom the Brexiters have taken away from our people
And it’s embarrassing if we’re turning away performers from the EU too. Narrowing our horizons and making us look like xenophobic, small minded little englanders
Apparently I’m not right. The problems are due, I’m told above, down the nasty EU deciding to introduce visas. Although it also seems that it’s “always been like this” - so both down to the recent EU visas and also always been like that. And just so we are clear:
Which all seems so clear that I wonder why UK Music (“the collective voice of the UK’s world-leading music industry” - according to their web site) have got it so wrong. They state that: “unfortunately the UK – EU Trade and Co-operation Agreement was mostly focused on goods rather than services and therefore did not cover many aspects of cultural touring.” So this means that they blame Brexit.
This made me curious so I looked at the House of Lords library web site. This states: Since Brexit, UK musicians and creative professionals no longer have free movement rights to travel and work across the EU. The EU and the UK have both said that they put forward proposals to prevent this outcome, but they could not come to an agreement. Several commentators have argued that the restrictions are having a negative impact." Again more people getting it wrong and blaming Brexit.
I thought that the UK music press might be more insightful and closer to the truth. The NME says "UK touring bands are suffering due to “Brexit f**k-ups and a lack of government control” ". How rude. And obviously how wrong.
No, I’m going to ignore the representatives of the UK music industry, the music press and the upper chamber - and go along with matey who posted that its absolutely nothing to do with Brexit, Thank goodness we have an unbiased voice on this forum.
Its true. We never needed Visas before - the EU are having the same problems getting work visas in the UK after the 90 day visa free period.
I’ve got friends on tour in the EU from the UK and from the USA. The problem comes when the 90 day (visa free) period expires and you then need to apply for the visa to extend it. This has been the case for workers outside the EU for years and now we need to do it, people think they can carry on as normal and they can’t. A lot of tours got caught out when the tour managers didn’t realise that UK technicians, sound engineers and musicians needed visas in the EU after Brexit. The USA workers had them but because Visas were never needed for UK workers they didn’t bother with the visa applications. As most of the tours last more than 90 days, by the time they realised they needed them, the Visa applications wouldn’t be done in time because like everything in the EU it takes months to get anything done.
This is never a problem in other countries, just the EU.
Yay another Brexit benefit (although it didn’t stop the little brats descending on my town a couple of weeks ago, really wish they’d teach them that in Britain we queue and don’t barge people out of the way):
Let’s sum up your contributions on this topic of the ease of bands & musicians touring:
There is before Brexit and after Brexit for touring the EU - it is less easy afterwards.
There is before Brexit and after Brexit for the touring the US - this has not changed.
But none of this is due to Brexit.
I’m just so very impressed by this logic. Next you’ll be trying to tell me that because touring the EU is now as difficult as touring the US, this is a Brexit benefit.
Touring the EU is the same as the USA - you need a visa for both. When we voted to leave the EU we voted to leave the single market and customs union which also meant we voted to end free movement of people from the UK to the EU, just like we don’t have freedom of movement in Japan or China or anywhere else. The same goes for the EU it doesn’t have freedom of movement in the UK or USA or China etc.
I really can’t make this simpler for you.
Getting a visa is simple enough you should try it.
I’m not talking about when they are leaving or arriving and you must be talking about London as you mentioned Baker Street Station. I’m talking about a seaside town where they take over the whole town and as I’ve also said, they nick things from the local shops.
This is what’s right in the centre of our small town:
That is a fair challenge. Let me help you with logical consistency.
Today: “Touring the EU is the same as the USA - you need a visa for both” and of course you are correct. Ta.
This is because: “we voted to end free movement of people from the UK to the EU” and of course you are correct, this was absolutely a consequence of the Brexit we got. So far so clear. If we had not got our Brexit then there would be no issues for musicians on tour.
But you also claim: “The problem is not Brexit”, except you yourself (above) have so very clearly stated that this was the result of the leave vote for Brexit. So it could not be more deeply a result of Brexit. It was, as you said, exactly what you wanted Brexit to deliver. It was the result of Brexit. The very opposite of your statement. Is that simple enough?
Yet you also insisted: “Nothing to do with Brexit.” Except it is so very clearly all to do with our Brexit as had there been no Brexit then the UK would be within the EU visa system. So no problems at all. None. Brexit created these problems and barriers. Simple.
I’ve seen “have my cake and eat it” arguments before but this moves onto holding two contradictory believes in your head at the same time. What’s the term for that?.
Let me re-use a phrase (slightly modified) from a post above: “This is a definite Brexit benefit, we’ve got enough irrelevant “la la” bands of our own without having UK ones too lol:”
This is a Brexit benefit, however again not for the UK but for the EU.
Very good, now you finally know how it works. While you are at it, please listen to the wise words of Anne Widdecombe about “the lazy French” who are solely responsible to the Dover delays (while working on the UKs premise).
Oh and please, touch the screen and look into my eyes, look into my eyes…
If I would not know better I would think that interview with Anne W. was Monty Pythen, but she actually seems to mean it. You could not make it up.
