Brexit benefits - where are they?

Controversial: Politics & Govt Brexit
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Thanks for this. It proves my point from across so many of my posts. Brexit fans are dumb. Here is why, based on your quoted article that tries to claim the don’t leave camp was full of lies. (Whereas the leave camp was full of lies.)

“The idea of an EU army was a dangerous fantasy: In April 2014, Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg debated EU membership.”
Let’s take this ill-informed article in the order that it presents its rubbish. I added the quoted date to demonstrate the fiction – 10 years ago Farage claimed the EU army was imminent. Hello? Not happened. More Brexit scare mongering. Or, as I prefer, lies.

“Voting to leave the EU would have an immediate detrimental effect on the UK’s economy”
This is my favourite. This badly informed article cites a quote that the “Remainer” predictions are rubbish because they say Brexit will cause a 6% hit on UK GDP. The OBR confirms it will be a 4% hit. Wow. 6% or 4%? I personally would have preferred a zero percent hit of staying in the EU.

“Britain would be at the “back of the queue” for a US trade deal”
True. Tell me this is not true. Utterly wrong and utterly dumb.

"This was a once in a generation decision, and there would be no going back”
True. Going back will mean losing all the fantastic special membership conditions the UK had. It will take exceptional pain for the UK to accept the euro and that is a certain condition of re-joining. Leaving was the greatest act of stupid self harm the UK could have done.

“A hard border would be required in Ireland if there was a no-deal Brexit”
True. See various protocols and agreements. All based on the hard border - and this was a fully predictable issue arising from Brexit. It is simply that the Brexit fans decided to ignore it. Until it was in place - so much for Brexit fan predictions: wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

“Migrant camps would appear throughout South East England”
In effect true. But the lovely home sectary decided that Rwanda is a part of South East England. Leaving the EU exacerbated the refugee issue. Leaving created more of a problem.

“Families would be £4,300 worse off if Britain left the EU” To get this figure, HM Treasury forecast that in 2030 the UK economy would be 6% smaller if we voted to leave See above. Its 4%. Not a lie, just a high estimate. Like £350m a week perhaps.

So your quoted article simply confirms that the don’t leave camp merely anticipated the problems of leaving the EU. And the fact that you cite this article says … a lot about you. And it also confirms the blatant lies of the leave campaign. So thanks for sharing.

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Strathmore why don’t you just admit that there were lies on ‘both’ sides and anybody who was taking either side on face value was foolish especially people on this site who are of an age that they’ve had enough experience to know that politicians lie to get the outcome they want.

And that was the point of posting that article not so you could argue selective points.

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I have previously posted that the remain campaign was poorly thought through and badly delivered. Cameron and Osborne, fresh out of their success in driving fear into the Scottish independence referendum, decided to take the same approach to the Brexit referendum. Then as polls showed an ever tightening voter view, they doubled down on the fear issue. If these are the “lies” you refer to, then you have a point.
However, when you share an article that purports to evidence that the remain campaign messages were all lies then surely it is very reasonable to examine this so called evidence. And guess what? The evidence clearly demonstrates that much of what was set out by the remain campaign was in fact correct. As my post shows. These specifics simply show much of the problems created from Brexit were predictable - and predicted. Not lies.
Shall we look at what the leave campaign claimed now?

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Such passion in this thread. I think I’m an in-betweener on the subject. In a fairly long life (hoping for it to continue), I have lived before we joined the EU, the years within the EU and now life under Brexit. It may be the lifestyle but on a personal level, I have hardly noticed the difference between any of the arrangements. In, out and shake it all about, I find I can carry on with life in the usual way. I have every expectation of being able to do so until the end of my days.

We all have our computers to post here, our home comforts and are presumably able to survive or live comfortably and carry on despite the arguments?

I have a son who lives in Germany. He manages to travel here regularly as does my daughter who lives in Spain. No real travel problems. The food shortages mentioned on the News recently are not apparent in our area and life goes on.

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I think this is what the so-called Remainers on here just don’t understand, or don’t want to understand. My mind re: Brexit was made up many years before the word was even invented and the referendum announced. Messages on buses from one side and words of doom and gloom on the other meant nothing to me. My decision came after years of observation of being a member of the EU. I haven’t changed my viewpoint in the years following Brexit either. As a country we chose the right route as far as I’m concerned and I haven’t heard anything to change that opinion since then.

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Well said Mart, I haven’t noticed any difference either other than people’s wages going up and more companies offering training for British born employees.

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Well said Pipsqueak and it always makes me laugh when Remainers bring up the bus because how many people actually saw the bus and when it was discussed on the news etc it was explained what it actually meant or was called a lie, so to still keep using that one as a lie I really do find funny and scraping at the barrel, do they honestly think one person voted for Brexit due to the message on the bus, no they don’t, just goes to show how low they’ll go.

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What really is dumb is how people still don’t understand why we left.

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Joining CPTPP means we can never go back into the EU. This is a huge win for Brexit.

The EU is a declining market, the CPTPP not so, why on earth would any country want to turn their backs on an outward looking trading partner which is growing in GDP and instead join the EU which is in decline and requires regulatory alignment to prevent trade with other growing economies ?

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Yes please.

Fire away.

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It is a significant watershed in our post-European Union history. As economist Catherine McBride writes in her recent and excellent “CPTPP Mythbuster”, the agreement focuses solely on trade, not on politics – as it should always be.

It is completely different by design from the European Union, which is driven by the “ever closer union” mantra and is as a result “entirely a political project”, which imposes “an additional layer of government demanding more import tariffs and sales taxes to pay for a Court, Parliament, Commission and officials with bloated salaries, accommodation, pensions, and chauffeur driven limousines”.

Mrs McBridge continues: “CPTPP does not impose tariffs on its members should they choose to import goods from outside the group”, adding “quite unlike the EU, which imposes tariffs on non-EU imports.”

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Vaccines

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Turkey

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Better deal than before

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US trade deal

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All the EU membership money will go to the NHS

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The UK can’t trade around the world because of EU membership

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Rees-Mogg claimed that food and clothing prices would come down, ha ha ha
This is an edit to my original post: ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Remove red tape (I’ll injure my finger if I type enough “ha ha” to reflect the ridicule deserved for this lie)

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And just to get the post count to 1100: it will save British fishing.

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