What dumb judgement by Cleverly, who always struck me as wrongly named. Kind of the opposite of nominative determinism. Orban’s reign has has seen Hungary’s government shift towards what he has called “illiberal democracy”, and he cites countries such as China and Russia as good examples of the type of rule he wants. Orbán has curtailed press freedom, eroded judicial independence and done much to undermine multiparty democracy. Many political scientists and watchdogs consider Hungary to have experienced “democratic backsliding” under Orban. His attacks on the European Union while accepting its money (and funneling it to his allies and his family) makes his government look like an authoritarian kleptocracy. Which sounds about right if he is modelling his government on that in Russia. Who he has never criticised for invading Ukraine, btw.
So, I think we can safely ignore the accusations of this chap Szijjarto. And we can also safely damn The Express for their uncritical repeating of these accusations. Dangerous idiots.
What’s so dangerous about telling the truth ?
We haven’t trashed trading with the EU.
I’ve told you before proximity has nothing to do with trade, why do you still not understand this ? if proximity was so vital, the EU’s biggest trading partner outside of the block would be the UK - it isn’t its the USA (then the UK which is declining and then China) which is considerably further away.
The remainers are getting wound up about Paris overtaking London to deflect from the predictions that the UK economy would collapse, the banks would flee (to Frankfurt, not Paris…) and that the UK would suffer an economic shock putting 800,000 people out of work. As more positives around Brexit come to the surface they need to split hairs and twist the truth to try and fool people their predictions were right.
They got it all completely wrong and time is proving that the Brexiteers were right.
So, the Guardian and the likes fudged the figures about Paris to make it look like it had overtaken the UK in terms of market dominance in financial markets. It was a complete lie, only one aspect out of many was used - the only one that Paris briefly overtook the UK on (value of British shares vs value of French shares) and the headline was made based on that. Paris is way down the league of countries (10th I think( when it comes to finance it didn’t suddenly become number 2 overnight.
Remainers are just desperate to be part of the failing 27 for some odd reason. They still don’t understand why we voted to leave (which is still very worrying) and they won’t take no for an answer, just like the Scottish Nationalists.
According to the OECD the UK will be the fastest growing economy in the G7 this year. Remainers are very quiet about that one too.
Also note that those news articles don’t say anything about Paris overtaking Singapore Hong Kong, Beijing, Los Angeles etc to get to the number 2 position.
There’s a reason for that … LOL
Here’s an example to illustrate…
"According to a recent survey, 50.1% of Parisian bankers prefer Camembert to Brie.
PARIS OVERTAKES LONDON as SECOND BIGGEST FINANCIAL CENTER
Brexit Benefit Number 1 - The UK is an independent sovereign nation.
(except NI which is being resolved this week in the courts courtesy of Ben Habib and Kate Hoey).
Thanks for that. I’m off to heat up my house with a wallet full of sovereignty.
And referring to:
The Express here is not “telling the truth”. This rag of a newspaper is copying a statement made a senior member of a most dodgy government without context or analysis. That is a serious failing for a newspaper. It is ignoring the failings and bias of this government and presenting the statement as fact and of merit. That is idiotic levels of journalism and dangerously misleading. But it does so because it wants to promote the anti-EU messages.
Now can we have a tangible actual real benefit please?
The £350m figure on the side of the “Leave Bus” is now subsidising our winter fuel bills?
Might help if you answered the question instead of swerving away from it again.
As for heating your house what on earth has that got to do with Brexit ? Unless you mean EU dependency on Nord Stream which I warned about on here 4 years ago and they all laughed at me.
Not laughing now are you
I wondered why the remainers (you in particular) keep asking the question of “tangible” benefits of leaving the EU. The reason is that there isn’t much that is “tangible” when it comes to politics, no matter what political scenario you ask the question about. Just because something doesn’t have many tangible benefits (in this case other than not paying £22 billion to the EU, applying stupid regulations that require tangible changes to goods and manufacturing processes, allowing the government to provide cash to struggling companies etc) it doesn’t mean its a bad thing. There aren’t any tangible benefits to loving your children or believing in God or resting on a beach or peace of mind etc etc but it doesn’t mean that we should ignore them either.
On the other hand, the remainers are also averse to asking the question the other way, like “What are the INTANGIBLE benefits of Brexit”. They don’t because they know they would get buried in answers.
Funny that.
Another tangible benefit, Britain is less dependent on EU food products, in particular Irish beef thanks to the Australian trade deal we have.
Brexit benefits remain to be seen, evidently
Brexit referendum has cost Britons £5.8bn in higher food bills | The Independent
That article does make rather depressing reading. When I last spoke to relatives in the UK they spoke of incredible price rises and were not looking forward to this winter.
The talk of “realignment” with EU rules will doubtless have some of our members foaming at the mouth even though the PM seems to have rejected it.
Have you spoken with anybody in France:
Funnily enough I was just reading about the FTA details. It is a long term plan with quotas
Under the agreement the UK will allow up to 35,000 tonnes of tariff-free Australian beef to be imported in the first year, which will gradually ramp up to 110,000 tonnes in the 10th year, before the tariff-free quota is removed altogether. For sheep meat, a tariff-free quota of 25,000 tonnes in the first year will expand to 75,000 tonnes in the 10th year, before being eliminated.
Before the FTA Australian meat was subject to a 12% tariff but on the bright side the initial 35000 tonne quota is ten times what was the UK market before the FTA.
I know 
If it were just one thing like food OR energy OR ( insert any other catastrophe set to befall the UK over the next few years ) we could kind of cope with it, but its ALL the things happening ALL at once, and it’s quite terrifying.
I think (hope, rather) that some “realignment” with Europe is possible, because frankly I can’t see any other resolution that doesn’t involve chaos on the streets.
How is that relevant? Why not ask if I have spoken to someone in Zimbabwe where inflation is 269%? That should make you feel even more comfortable.
The news never gives like for like content of what is going on at street level in other countries because no one is interested in context.
It’s not sensational enough. 
Last time I looked Zimbabwe wasn’t part of the EU, but France is. And France isn’t the only EU country suffering with inflated food costs, there are plenty of others too.