Brexit benefits - where are they?

@Dextrouse, " why do l try to bring taboo subjects into threads
Simply because l don’t believe in taboo subjects ??
What sort of forum bans certain subjects ?? :confounded::confounded::confounded:

This one.

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I’d like to see your proof that ‘lots of people voted to leave’ because they ‘hate’ foreigners! What a naive view of British people and their reasons for voting in the way that they did! The vitriol that you spurt against my generation does your viewpoint no good at all, it just makes you appear mean spirited and a poor loser. I would imagine that people who voted for Brexit did so for many different reasons in the same way that those against did. In my view it isn’t worth discussing Brexit with folks who are so adamant that their opinion is the right one that they believe that they have the right to abuse those whose opinions differ.

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The movement of financial firms to EU locations didn’t happen - resources moved to EU locations to allow passporting. Passporting works both ways, so the EU have done the same but the other way around.

The trade agreement that we have only covers goods because of the way tariffs work - tariffs apply to goods (not services) - regulations apply to services. In the world of finance, the UK is the regulator of the world, if the EU decided not to use London and broke away from it, their financial markets would collapse overnight. Nobody would trust them.

If you remember, the UK took the EU to court and won over clearing back in 2015/2016. The EU tried to claim only an EU country could do financial clearing (in Frankfurt) and lost (miserably). This has been ongoing way before Brexit, it’s nothing new, but without Frankfurt having the infrastructure, financial muscle and regulatory presence it will always be a minnow in the financial world.

And as for removing the bankers bonus cap, this was an EU regulation that came in after 2008 when there was the financial collapse caused by the last labour government. As we are no longer in the EU, we did the right thing and removed it - so the best bankers will continue to work here, continue to come here and leave Frankfurt and Paris behind.

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Quite right Pipsqueak.

Those who voted remain still don’t understand the reasons we voted to leave. Quite worrying after all these years.

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Oh, I think I understand them pretty well……

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Fine, so put me on ignore and enjoy your echo chamber

The problem with Brexit is that we haven’t Brexited enough.

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It’s not a game of cricket Pipsqueak where one has to be a good ‘sport’ after losing .
I don’t think that you should call people mean spirited either it just makes you appear to have a weak unconvincing argument .

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Thank you Muddy

I don’t think there’s anything mean spirited in being angry at someone who’s done you, your country and your children harm, I think it’s a natural reaction

Likewise, I don’t think there’s any virtue in being a “good” loser when the players and cause you’ve lost to have done so much harm. That just enables them to carry on

It’s not school sports day, is it?

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That’s a survey of 12,369 people done online. There’s no way of telling the actual break down of age groups… And there was 46,500,001 registered to vote, but only 33,577,342 actually voted, so 12,369 people is a drop in the ocean, so really can’t see how you can say with any authority that what you state is correct.

From your link:

Survey time period
June 23, 2016

Number of respondents
12,369 respondents

Age group
18 years and older

Method of interview
Online survey

Can you state with authority all the benefits Brexit will bring to your grandchildren ?
In fact can you state with authority ANY benefits Brexit will bring .

Solid facts no faffing about saying it will take ten years etc

Solid TANGIBLE benefits .

Nice swerve, And I’ve already posted a link to a document, but you said you couldn’t be bothered to read it.

What I’d like to know is how many people have taken advantage of their grandparent’s being Irish, bet not many, I don’t know any including my own children.

Just because you don’t know anyone that doesn’t make it fact !
Hundreds of people have taken Irish passports .
I can probably name 20 myself .
An Irish passport ioffers EU citizenship, granting its carrier the right to work, live, and travel freely anywhere across the European Union. With its 28 member states, this degree of mobility is highly prized.

As have other people who have any EU connection ie parents of grandparents
Boris Johnson father has a French passport so Boris can have one too .
He has lost nothing through Brexit .

That second article is discussing Northern Ireland and I would class that as completely different to the rest of the UK regarding needing an Irish passport. This is from your first article, how many of those people have applied because unless it’s at least 50% (which I doubt it’s anywhere near that), I can’t see any weight in your argument:

Under these guidelines, you could guess that the amount of eligible candidates must be astounding—and it is. BBC News put forth the suggestion that 6.7 million UK residents are entitled to an Irish passport, excluding the number of people already possessing one

The lack of Brexiteers screaming from the rooftops, extolling the virtues that we are now actually benefiting from, tells a story in itself.

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I’ve already stated some, companies training up staff rather than getting cheap labour from the EU. Rising wages.

And as I keep saying, come back and ask us in ten years time. Didn’t you believe the leaflet that was sent round to every household in the UK:

The Government judges it could
result in 10 years or more of
uncertainty as the UK unpicks
our relationship with the EU and
renegotiates new arrangements
with the EU and over 50 other
countries around the world.

Unless you are a soothsayer you have no more idea than fly what will happen in 10 years time .

If you look at the leave vote in the referendum it was only a handful of counties outside London that voted to remain.

That hasn’t changed.

There are loads of surveys done about people changing their minds after the EU referendum, a lot swung in favour of leave after the EU broke the Irish Protocol and introduced vaccine nationalism, preventing medicines from reaching the UK. The biggest issue the UK has now is being in the ECJ and the Paris Accord. We need to leave them next.

Within the 27 there is a huge rise in Euroscepticism as we saw in the French, Swedish and Italian elections, with Poland now sticking two fingers up at Brussels as well. Unemployment is going through the roof, Germany is in recession with energy blackouts and the ECB imploding as interest rates are trying to keep up with the rest of the world, damaging the lower states.

Being an EU member state now would be economic suicide - the biggest benefit of Brexit is not being in the EU, its as simple as that.

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Huge demand for Irish passports