That is a bizarre conclusion to take from my post. A silly one too. Here are examples of your thinking in action -
I worry about theft from my house. The government cannot spend better than me so I will hire my own squad of police to protect me. Its expensive but worth it.
I worry about fire damaging my property. Guess I need to buy a fire engine as the government would make a mess of that purchase.
I noticed that my elderly relative needs care. I’ll just go buy that.
The motorway is really busy. I’ll just buy up some land and build a new one.
I want my bit of my country to be defended against possible external military threats. I’ve read about these threats and see one being airborne attacks. So I think I at least need a ground to air missile system, or ideally a couple of fighter jets. If I start saving now…because a government could not possibly spend better than me.
I do worry that you have not thought your statement through in any complete sort of way.
I wasn’t asking you to analyse my thinking Lincolnshire. You’re discussing two different things here, you’re assuming all spending is the same, which it clearly isn’t.
I simply asked you which country best represents your views ?
But your thinking so obviously requires examination, at least as it is expressed here. You buy into the concept of champagne socialist as an insult when it is actually a compliment. That is a worrying lack of examination and consideration. You think the vote for Brexit in the north was a vote against socialism - it wasn’t. It was a vote against a perception that political power and decision making was done from another place by elites who retain their position regardless of outcomes (as much, possibly more, the Tory government as the Brussels leaders). Your speculation is empty. And you compare personal spending to government spending. But then again if I suggested that austerity for the UK was the wrong solution you’d likely want to talk about reigning in household spend when in debt.
Now, if you could take me through the politics, the governance, the legal system, the social care infrastructure, the taxation model, the education system, the economic models and all the rest of some possible countries, maybe the top 50 by GDP/size in the world, then I could make a judgement on which reflects my views best. I’m not really up to speed with all of that and wouldn’t want to guess. There is, after all, quite a lot to consider.
You have a house ?
I sort of imagined you resident in a tent hence the smug desire to tax everyone else who has anything .
I’ll be dead when my estate gets taxed. Which it will. Why would I worry about that?
But I guess you’re worried about the millions in tax due when you keel over and how your family will manage to pay without selling the ancestral pile.
Jethro welcome to the boards and hope we see many more posts of yours, don’t let the doom mongers beat you down.
Did you actually read the article, no, I didn’t think so. Can’t you see the difference between people coming here illegally and people coming here legally. If squatters took over your house, would you complain. If you put your house up for sale and somebody bought it, wouldn’t that please you, would you expect me to say to you, you can’t have it both ways, objecting to the squatters, but pleased about somebody buying your house.
Why does my thinking require examination ? You’re free to disagree with me, why make it so complicated for yourself, unless you’re struggling to find a reply.
Anyway, the vote for Brexit was indeed a vote against socialism, not just in the north but for every voter who voted to leave (the majority). There is no perception (as you call it) regarding political power from unelected elites, this is in fact a reality that your taking an awful amount of time to deny. Either that or you don’t understand the objective of the EU, the design of the EU or how the EU Parliament and Council operates. It’s no speculation on my side either. Look at how national vetoes have decreased over the past 25 years or so. It’s easy to look it up and see the evidence for yourself. Guy Verhofstadt has said many times, as have others, national vetoes must be abolished in favour of advancing the EU project at a faster pace. They even admit they will start with the smaller countries first, regarding those that use them, such as Hungary an “abuse”. Difficult to swallow …
And of course I compare personal spending to government spending - you don’t, because you see the government having more of peoples money a good thing, so they can spend it on the peoples behalf, just like they do in big state / communist countries. Then you say champagne socialism is a compliment - those who are enormously wealthy and support socialist ideology retaining their wealth and spending it as they wish. It’s this part where your arguments waiver somewhat, like your answer to the question I originally asked, which was about which country best represents your views. I’m starting to think that its not because you can’t answer the question, it’s more because you won’t answer the question. If you did you would be giving examples of the failures of socialism and remove yourself from any credible further argument.
It was a very simple question after all.
Well, that’s something you got right.
Bring back the Poll Tax!
The good news is that your view of the EU is of course wrong and with no basis of fact.
As is your view of a national government’s role in gathering tax revenue and spending, investing and running the services of the country. It is not like a household budget - that is the falsehood promoted by the tories when they do budget cutting. And then you go call it all communism - which definitely shows you don’t understand it. It sounds like anything other than tiny government, ultra low taxation, free market and no regulations is in your view communist.
I didn’t say anything of the sort, but your avoidance in answering my questions says more than you would like to say.
All socialist governments end in disaster, including UK labour here in the UK. Thats because they are not low tax, small government and don’t deregulate. A vote for socialism is always a vote for budget cuts and austerity further down the line.
I’m trying to find your questions - was one about which country I’d prefer. To which I answered “dunno, I don’t know enough about any single country other than the UK”. Which is more than reasonable. You failed to offer up any info on any country, not even the weather, so we’re stuck on that one.
You also seem stuck on there being your view of a good government and only one other option - a socialist government. In fact, I’m not aware of any socialist governments in Europe - social democrat (or variations on that) but not socialist. And funnily enough many centrist / left of centre governments have been hugely successful. Norway is a good example. And even more funny is that lack of success of the current UK government. They are not socialist or even centrist but they have managed to be an utter disaster.
A vote for conservatives is a vote for austerity and other policies that do not work, make ordinary people suffer, make life more miserable unless you are stonking rich. Well done.
Hi
This is one of the rare occasions that I agree with you.
My Politics are not as left wing as yours.
This is a brilliant post.
Well said, that’s bang on
Thanks, appreciated.
Although I’d note that I’m actually not that left wing. Really not. And I’m definitely not socialist. However, after so long being fed very problematic (I wanted to write ‘crap’ but that is rude) tory policies I feel a swing in the other direction is needed.
Oh wow, how I envy you for your courage and strength. I just tried to open www.dailymail.co.uk but I must admit that I cannot make it. You know the worst we have in Germany is “bild.de”. I cannot stand that either. Really, respect for actually reading such a page!
It confuses me that it took (you) so long to bring the “sick man of Europe” (Germany) up here. Please, as I still struggle to comprehend so many things in this forum, please let me know how the German stagnation is a Brexit benefit. This thread is about Brexit benefits and I really cannot see the connection here.
Please, enlighten me 
The “Brexit” is Global, unfortunately. 
Sorry, I do not get it. There is only one Brexit and this thread is exactly about that one. Or was there a “global” leaving the EU?