I must say the Brexiteer’s glee at any report of an EU country struggling really unpleasant
There was bound to be a knock on effect on our friends and allies in the EU when the Brexiters chose to betray them and abandon our commitments and it will take a while to recover.
But to take pleasure in any other country, (and it’s people) struggling, really is childish spite
May the EU countries and their people thrive and prosper without us in the future despite the ill wishes of the Brexiteers
That might be true. However I am very sure that your assessment does not hold true for the participants on this thread. That is why I a firmly believe that there will be a reasonable explaination for why Germany’s stagnation is a Brexit benefit.
It would be just way too embarrassing just to post a “Daily Mail” article and not to respond to my request, would it not?
Maree, thank you for you warm words, I did not mean my last sentence seriously. There is just spite, spite, spite and no, no, no, no Brexit benefits after > 2000 posts
It’s called “grasping at straws” - there are no visible signs of any Brexit benefits but Wendeey feels that any sign that any country in Europe is not doing well during a global turn down is a benefit. Sad but true.
Too easy an explaination as this “straw” is too thin to be grasped at. Intelectually the person who came up with “Germany the sick man” as a Brexit benefit must be way above me and I am so anxious to hear the explaination…
Please, enlighten me…
That article was published in the Daily Mail yesterday and it was posted to try and calm those remainers who are worried that Brexit has caused damage to the UK to show it’s not just the UK going through bad times, it’s a world wide problem. And no, I don’t take delight in any country who are going through bad times, unlike the remainers on here who jump on any little blip to try and blame Brexit.
If you are so concerned about this thread staying on topic, why aren’t you picking up those remainers who post derogatory things about the UK, surely they’re not Brexit benefits either, so it’s a bit of selective criticism on your and other remainers part.
It doesn’t work though, does it? It might be possible to present a whole raft of countries that are struggling and claim “look, the UK has problems but so does everyone else”. Works if you ignore the causes of any single country’s problems. Here, because the Mail picks on a favourite hate country, Germany, it really does not help confirm that all countries are struggling. Germany has had unique and exceptionally difficult issue - a pivot away from a reliance on Russian gas. It is therefore right to look at the UK and note it has found it difficult to deal with a unique and exceptionally difficult issue - Brexit. So all that the Mail article does it to highlight that each country has had to cope with economic pressure arising from two different problems. You and the Mail need to re-think things.
Norway is successful because of capitalism and exploiting its own natural resources. The UK could do the same, but its held back by the green lobby, which has rapidly become the scaremongering branch of the socialists.
As far as Europe not having any socialist governments, you should refer yourself to your unelected socialist European Parliament. As Jean Monnet said in 1952, “The people of Europe should be guided towards a super state, without realising why. This can be realised in stages and disguised as having economic benefits, and leads to irrevocable federalism”. It doesn’t get more creepy and socialist than that.
Back to the question, I’m not surprised you can’t tell me the country that reflects your views. It’s commonplace for socialists to avoid that one, because every example of socialism that has been tried has ended in catastrophe.
Voting for conservatives isn’t a vote for austerity either, its a result of a labour government, who, every time they are elected they are handed a gold plated economy, which they destroy before leaving office and handing over the mess for the conservatives to fix. This has happened every time there has been a labour government and a good reason why there has only been 2 in the past 50 years or so.
Poor people suffer the most under the socialists. We can see that in plain sight with Sadiq Kahn’s ULEZ expansion. Just one, more recent example of how these left wing policies only work for rich people like the London Mayor and those in the minority super rich category. We have the highest tax burden in 70 years, do you agree that poor people are doing well by it ? I certainly don’t.
However, saying that we are about to sign another trade deal with India who are set to become the 3rd biggest economy in the world. Another benefit of Brexit and something that we should be proud to be part of. The
Germany is not a favourite hate country. It’s used by the Mail as an example because Germany is dependant on cheap energy more than any other EU manufacturing nation because it is Germany that is the manufacturing powerhouse of the EU. High energy costs mean higher manufacturing costs which in turn means that people stop buying expensive premium German cars and either buy elsewhere or not buy at all. This has major impact on the EU economy, especially the Eurozone.
This is all because of the EU pushing for Russian gas via NordStream2 instead of using their own resources from places like the Netherlands (who recently capped gas production from Groningen and want to abolished commercial gas supply altogether in 2023). NordStream 2 was always a disaster waiting to happen, relying on Russia for gas and then to make matters much worse, Germany voted to shut down its nuclear power stations in favour of EU policies for net zero.
The problems for Germany is because of stupid policymaking by them and Brussels.
Socialism is a political ideology that aims to give workers shared ownership of the tools, land, and buildings that they use to make products or provide services (the means of production). This differs from capitalism which places the ownership in the hands of shareholders - who do no work but gain the reward from the production done by workers.
I think you need to re-write your posts given this (brand new to you) information. And then post them on a thread that is not about Brexit benefits.
Thank you for your explaination. I had thought that you wanted to point to a certain Brexit benefit by citing that article.
About being selective, this is (if I am not mistaken) my first attempt to remind somebody that this thread is about Brexit benefits. Therefore it is inevitable to be selective as I have to select the one person which I want kindly to remember what this thread is about.
I can try to address a remainer the next time I feel the urge to remind somebody of that. Jing and jang.
It would be good to get an example of where derogatory things have been said about the UK in this thread. I suspect that will not be as easy as you imply. That is, things that are not simply highlighting the negative impact of Brexit. Such claims are of course relevant to this thread and only criticizing Brexit, not the country that is the UK.